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Discussion in 'DVD TiVo Units (Archive)' started by robomeister, Jun 29, 2006.

  1. Beachbum55

    Beachbum55 New Member

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    I bought my Pioneer 810HS not too long after they were introduced (2002?).

    It's an original box and has worked flawlessly. Recently, it seems to be freezing up twice a week and requires a restart (pull the power plug and power up). It'll work fine for a few more days, then it needs to be restarted again.

    It's hooked up to a Comcast Motorola cable box (same one we've used for years).

    The software version is 9.3.2a-0102-275.

    Any ideas regarding what the problem might be?
     
  2. bicker

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    Sounds like the hard drive is going...
     
  3. treacherous

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    I recently had to swap out the DVR Expander drive on my S3 due to a failing hard drive. I did not have to pull plug on DVR but it would lock up and reboot shortly afterward several times a day.

    I also recently upgraded the drive in my 810. It was actually pretty easy too. My drive wasn't failing but wanted additional capacity.

     
  4. Beachbum55

    Beachbum55 New Member

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    That's kind of what I thought. I'll keep an eye on it. Luckily, there really isn't anything on it that I can't afford to loose.

    Thanks.
     
  5. Apr 7, 2009 #325 of 380
    mk678

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    I have Pioneer DVR810H that is stuck on "Please wait...Powering Up", also the LCD in the front of the unit has gone dark.

    Any advice on what could be causing this to happen. I rebooted the unit a couple of times, still the same message, opened the DVD tray and confirmed there is no DVD stuck.:)
     
  6. Apr 7, 2009 #326 of 380
    bicker

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  7. Apr 7, 2009 #327 of 380
    robomeister

    robomeister DVD TiVo Expert

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    When any TiVo is stuck on "Please wait, powering up" screen, that is an indication that the motherboard cannot communicate with the hard drive. This can be a disconnected cable (power or data) or simply that the programming on the hard drive can no longer be read. AKA, dead drive.

    You'll have to get a replacement drive and then load the TiVo software onto it. This can be done with Instant Cake from dvrupgrade.com or, if you are lucky, a backup copy of your hard drive and WinMFS or MFSLive from mfslive.org. I can provide you with a clean DVR-810H-S image, if needed.

    Good luck,
    robomeister
     
  8. cftrunt

    cftrunt New Member

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    Has anyone tried to use a crossover cable through the 810H USB/Ethernet adapter to dump recorded programs directly onto a PC/Laptop rather than going through a home network?
     
  9. robomeister

    robomeister DVD TiVo Expert

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    I haven't done it personally, but it should be possible. You would have to setup a small ad hoc LAN and manually assign IP addresses to both the PC and the TiVo. There will be no DHCP server, so you have to do everything manually.

    Good luck,
    robomeister
     
  10. cftrunt

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    I have a Pioneer 810h DVR with Lifetime Tivo Plus. I connected a Linksys WUSB11 v2.6 adapter through he USB port on the 810H. After considerable profanity and several restarts I got the DVR to recognize the adapter. I set up a home wireless system thru my desktop computer. I have had a Linksys WUSB600N connected to my Linksys WAP54G v3.1 Access point which is hardwired to my DSL modem. I use MAC address enabled on my access point and have enabled all of the MAC addresses for the various wireless components. I have MacAphee security which I, during this time, I have had enabled and disabled at various times. The Wireless adapter on the 810H has talked to my wireless adapter on my computer (the 600N). Tivo desktop worked at one point between the DVR and my desktop computer but now is not. When I tied and make the Internet connection in the Tivo Setup screens it went thru the "preparing to connect" sequence. It then entered the "negotiating" phase but fails there giving the message "service not found". I have disabled (temporarily) windows firewall on my LAN and Internet Server connections. I have gone into the connections and set up the Port exceptions - (I think) for all of the connections that might be blocking service access. I have tried to set the Access point to WEP rather than WAP2 Personal. The WUSB600N seemed to keep dropping out so I attached a spare Linksys WUSB11 v2.8 that I had also thinking that the WAP on the 600N may be causing a problem. I am at a loss. Part of my problem is that there are so many permutations of things to change I am not sure if the Gods were ever totally lined up. Does anyone have any suggestions. At this point I would like to zap my home network and start over clean but I am finding that is easier said than done. I have attached a schematic of my sytem. The laptops and second desktop can be ingnored. I have disconnected the two wireless usb adapters from my desktop computer and removed the connections in the Network Connection manger. I am concerned that the wireless access point with suspect wireless usb connections shown in red on the schematic, may be confusing things since the desktop computer is also hardwired into the modem/router with an LAN Ethernet connection. In the end what I want is for my Tivo to use its wireless adapter to connect my desktop's wireless adapter (either the WUSB600N or the WUSB11) to use Tivo Desktop and connect to the internet preferably thru the LAN connection. Sorry for the longwinded post.
     

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  11. robomeister

    robomeister DVD TiVo Expert

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    It looks like you've made it more complicated than it needs to be. Why can't you simply connect the TiVo to the WAP54G? Then you could get to it from any computer, it would simply be another device on your network. You would also not need to create separate LANs, just have one big one.

    Do you have a bunch of DHCP servers competing for dominance on your LAN? Sometimes things get confused when you have multiple DHCP servers trying to server out IP addresses. In any case, I'd recommend a fixed IP address for your TiVo. Makes things much more simple. But choose one that is outside the DHCP address range, so you don't have any conflicts.

    Are you using any wireless encryption/protection? TiVo is very picky on the encryption schemes allowed. I'd try it with the protection turned off, just to see if you can connect. After you get it to connect, then try turning on the different protection (MAC filtering, encryption, broadcasting ESSID, etc.).

    Did you do it this way because of the distances involved? or to prevent running wires all over the place?

    Are you broadcasting your ESSID? or did you manually enter it into the TiVo?

    I tried using wireless connections with my Pioneers, and it worked, but everything seemed slow and problematic. And I was connecting directly to my router without any protection turned on. However, I was using MAC filtering. The connections would drop completely when the signal strength was low, MRV was abysmally slow, etc. The only good thing was I could connect to the mothership for updates without stringing a wire to the TiVo.

    Sorry it doesn't help much, but wired just works.

    robomeister
     
  12. cftrunt

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    Thanks- Origionally I had the wireless adapter on the Tivo directly communicating with the WAP54G. I was concerned that about confusion between the WAP and WEP encription since it seemed the WUSB11 was limited to WEP. I set up a peer to peer wireless adhoc connection on the Tivo and then used my WUSB600N on my deskop computer. It connects to the wireless Tivo connect but when I use Tivo Desktop it does not find the DVR. I really do not want to string a bunch of wires it may come to that. So you are suggesting that I go back to connecting everything through the WAP and use fixed ip addresses I gather. The WAP is hardwired to the modem but I am not sure how to make it "always on" connection. Currently any computer using it still has to provide a sign on name and password to my ISP.
     
  13. robomeister

    robomeister DVD TiVo Expert

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    Aha! Now it is becoming clearer on why you have all these parts. :)

    To get the "always on" setting on your DSL router/modem, you would need to set up a PPPoE (Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet) or some similar connection to your ISP in the router itself. The type of connection depends on how your ISP connects. You will need to log into your DSL router with your browser, and setup the PPPoE. Usually, if you type in the IP address of your Gateway into your browser, you'll get the webpage of your router (i.e. 192.168.1.1 or something close). To change anything in your router, you will need the admin password for your router. Then you'll need to setup the PPPoE or similar connection, where you put in your userid and password, the same ones used by your computers. Then the router will automatically login to your ISP and automatically logout when the connection is idle for some period of time.

    Once you set up your router to do the logging in work, your computers won't need to login anymore.

    If you give me the model number of your DSL modem/router, I can help you out with the settings.

    Regarding the "encryption" of your wireless ethernet. You are correct, the WUSB11 can only do the WEP (Wired Equivalent Protection). To use WPA, you need the TiVo branded wireless adapter. That is the only adapter that does WPA and works with the TiVo.

    Good luck,
    robomeister
     
  14. cftrunt

    cftrunt New Member

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    First of all I want to truley thank you for your passion and willingness to help us smi-literate geek wannabies that know just enought to dive into something with the knowlege someone like you will bail us out of our self created disasters. I am kind of OCD and I am now officailly on a "quest" to make this work or paint a bowling ball purple and try and convince someone it is a grape.

    Here is my modem/router information. It is a Westell provided by my DSL ISP which is CenturyTel my local phone comapny. I belive the unit is a product made by Welstell soley for CenturyTel.

    Model Number A90-740014-06
    Serial Number 06B401532665
    MAC Address 00:0f:db:af:de:4f
    Software Version VER:03.00.87a
    Software Model 4 Port NAT Router
    Description WireSpeed NAT Router
    Boot Loader VER:03.00.87a
    Configuration 096-900062-00A

    I have been using the IP addresses of both my router and my access point to do various setup functions. The router setup IP is 192.168.1.1. The access point setup IP is 192.158.1.245. Are these the static addresses that I would use to tell my Tivo to talk to these units?

    One other question. I have seriously been considering buying a WAP Tivo wireless adapter. I know the encription is better and sometimes branded hardware is better tested for the applications. Sould I bite the bullet?

    Again thanks for all of your help.
     
  15. cftrunt

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    Based on your previous post I did go into my modem setup and found the place to setup the connection you suggested. The attached image is a screen shot of the setup. My question now is should this be an "always on" or an "on demand" connection? How should I set the "time out" feature?

    Also in the Windows XP connection manager there is an option to "Allow other network users to connet through this computer's Intrnet connection" I assume I have to check that box someplace sometime.
     

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  16. Sep 7, 2009 #336 of 380
    gilgard

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    Hi, all. I bought a "barely" used Pioneer 810-HS and all seems to work great except: I couldn't get the DVD tray to open at first. I pressed "open" on the unit and on the remote many times. Finally it opened. I pressed "Close" and it did, but then 3 seconds later it opened back up all by itself. This behavior repeats over and over. So now it doesn't want to stay shut, whether a DVD is in it or not. If I click "close tray" twice quickly, it will close and stay closed, but then the front window and DVD screen say that the tray is open, although it is not. The DVD player can't be used in that saying-open-but-really-closed state. I tried unplugging and plugging a few times, as well as completely clearing and resetting, and just clearing DVD settings. No improvement. An earlier poster here sid he had this problem but figured it out, which makes me think that there may be a quick fix. That poster can't remember what he did - anyone else know how to resolve? Many thanks! (If it is relevant: The player was shipped to me with a DVD in it, which played just fine, but I know this is not a good practice.)
     
  17. timtofly

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    Since upgrading my 810H from 80 to 320 gig hard drive, the "freeze" has gone away. MHO is that there was a bad spot on the hard drive that when recording there, it would cause a hiccup and freeze the unit. Sometimes I think a TV show would cover this spot up, and the unit would be fine, until I deleted the show and then it would do it continuously (freezing) until the next show would cover over the spot. I cannot confirm, but in recording to the DVD, there were some shows that would just not copy. I think that these shows may have been on the glitchy spot of the hard drive. these drives are what 5+ years old now, and showing signs of wear.
     
  18. timtofly

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    robomeister,
    Are the DVD burners in the Pioneer 810/57 series interchangeable with the Humax DRT 400/800 series?

    Thanks,
     
  19. robomeister

    robomeister DVD TiVo Expert

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    timtofly,

    Negative, no, nope. The DVD writers in the Pioneer TiVos have a unique firmware installed in them. I haven't been able to extract the firmware to try to burn it to a similar DVD writer drive.

    The Pioneers use the DVR-105 and/or the DVR-106 writers. I have found some non TiVo versions of these drives and have installed them into the Pioneer TiVos. The drives will read discs, but will not write discs.

    The Toshiba/Humax TiVos use the DVR-108 and DVR-109 writers. I have been able to put pretty much any Pioneer writer into these machines and they will both read and write. Seems like the Toshibas and Humaxes are more forgiving on the writer. Must be something in the software.

    Sorry for the not so good news,
    robomeister
     
  20. cftrunt

    cftrunt New Member

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    I have not had the box open to look at the configuration. Have you had any success in upgrading to a 1TB? Can we use a IDE/SATA adapter in the 810HS and if so have you found one that is configured so the connections all work?

    Thanks

    mbm
     

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