PIN stupidity - can we not turn them off?!

Discussion in 'VirginMedia TV with TiVo - UK' started by ptruman, Feb 19, 2011.

  1. Brangdon

    Brangdon New Member

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    I doubt we'll ever get the ability to disable PIN altogether (the Ofcom page specifically forbids that), but if there's already code in place to make it programme-specific then it would "just" need an improvement to the EPG data. Which I'd like to think is more likely to happen than a software fix.

    Presumably YouView will also have to deal with this issue so everyone will need to start providing adult ratings with guide data.
     
  2. deshepherd

    deshepherd New Member

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    Not necessarily ... depends on what the regulations are. The problem could be that in the UK programs are assumed suitable for everyone unless otherwise stated whereas in the US I think its the other way round (i.e. all programs expected/required to state if they are suitable for children etc). So if UK program data gives no rating statement then that may mean suitable for everyone but TiVo SW designed for the US model interprets this missing data as not saying its suitable for everyone so assumes that it might not be. The UK designed YouView would probably be designed around the UK interpretation of this.
     
  3. Tavis75

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    I don't think the pin situation on the TiVo (with the latest software) seems any different to the V+HD box I had before. Feels like I have to enter the pin with about the same frequency I did when using the old box (with both of them having the security level turned down to the minimum allowed).

    Can't believe OFCOM forbid the disabling of the PIN completely though, almost tempted to complain but don't know who to. Who watches the watchdogs?
     
  4. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    If we all complain to OFCOM then they may listen. But then again, maybe not :( I'm sure I set up and online petion about this a while ago but I can't remember if I did or where I did :(
     
  5. Fixerman

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    I have a humax freeview pvr and there is just a parental control facility that you can have on or off! It's always off so I never need a pin.

    So where does OFCOM fit in there?:confused:
     
  6. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    They don't. Not sure about the general OFCOM ruling, but the one I know about only applies to Sky Movies; which you can't get on Freesat :)
     
  7. passingbat

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    On the V+ box, you could turn the pin off completely for recorded programmes; I've watched 18 rated recorded films in the afternoons without the need for a pin number.

    You don't have that option on Tivo

    It's not a massive deal for me on tivo as I've set a sequence up on my Harmony remote, so it's just a one press action, but you really should be able to remove pin protection completely if you so wish.
     
  8. Mimizuku no Lew

    Mimizuku no Lew Rattus Sapiens

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    I've still had the V+ ask for a PIN to watch some films recorded from Sky Movies though, even with the option set to not ask for a PIN to watch recordings.
     
  9. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    That will be the OFCOM requirement for those channels then, I guess.
     
  10. Brangdon

    Brangdon New Member

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    This may be the passage used to justify it:
    1.24 Premium subscription film services may broadcast up to BBFC 15-rated films or their equivalent, at any time of day provided that mandatory restricted access is in place pre-2000 and post-0530.
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    Mandatory restricted access means there is a PIN protected system (or other equivalent protection) which cannot be removed by the user, that restricts access solely to those authorised to view.​

    From Ofcom Broadcast Code. It's probably true that if it can be disabled, over 50% of households will disable it, whether or not they have children in the home.
     
  11. Meng

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    I don't know about OFCOM rulings or anything, but I never had all these PIN issues with my Sky box ... and my viewing habits haven't changed.

    Something ain't right.
     
  12. Fixerman

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    I agree. Lets all lobby VM until we get a solution!:eek:
     
  13. TCM2007

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    Bonkers OfCOM rule - why make it not removable by user?
     
  14. mike0151

    mike0151 A Friend of Dot

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    In the past I have never had to use a PIN to watch Mythbusters or Wheeler Dealers. I am totally fed up with having to enter one now. Especially so since I live alone and am definitely over the age of 21
     
  15. SPR

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    Is the pin attached to the recording?
    I sometimes have to put the original pin 1234 instead of my changed 1111.
    There was a reset recently I know, but today I have had to use both numbers.

    I was also once asked to put a pin in because of a 15 rating!
    Not an issue to me, but that would mean 15-17 year old either would need to have a pin put in for them, or be "trusted" to not abuse the pin.
     
  16. jonphil

    jonphil New Member

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    This is the point that Virgin are completely ignoring / overlooking.
     
  17. SPR

    SPR New Member

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    I'm not sure TiVo/VM are forcing people to enter a pin because of when it was recorded because of OFCOM.

    Surely the OFCOM Codes & Guidance only applies to broadcasts?

    If I (or my recorder) switches to a channel at a time that doesn't require a pin, then any recording may be watched whenever.

    Putting any moral or personal dilemma aside that may occur because of this, this is how I interpret their rules.

    i.e. I believe that OFCOM only govern broadcast, not when a recording can be played back.
     
  18. sjp

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    i think they've realised that they're being a little heavy handed with their PIN-ing and are planning to scale it back a bit and hopefully the GMT/BST i don't know when it's 20:00 bug will also be sorted on the next release.
     
  19. jethrouk

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    Could it have been the new adult version "C-Boobies" :D


    Someone suggested changing pin to 1111 and quite honestly i dont even consider typing pin occasionally an issues


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  20. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    I wouldn't either, if it was only "occasionally", but a lot of my fave shows are shown after, but watched before, 9pm; which means I have to enter a PIN at least twice a day; and that's asuming I don't stop the programme for whatever reason and have too enter it again when I go back to it :mad:
     

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