Perry Mason (HBO) season thread **spoilers**

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  1. ADG

    ADG Allan

    Aug 19, 2003
    New Jersey, USA


    Interesting that you would think it's because he's black. I doubt color had anything to do with it, but rather because he was too honest / moral (AND, he was still a cop at that point).
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  2. cheesesteak

    cheesesteak Meh. TCF Club

    Jul 24, 2003
    15 mins...
    I tend to agree with this assessment. Drake is black but money is green and nobody is prejudiced against green.
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  3. PJO1966

    PJO1966 Hi. What is this?

    Mar 5, 2002
    Los Angeles, CA
    I tried reading through this thread, but it's 90% "this isn't Perry Mason".

    Having never seen the original show, this show was brilliantly done. It was visually beautiful and the performances were exceptional.

    We tried to watch the original and made it about halfway through one episode.
  4. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    Well it's the writer's take on a Perry Mason origin story. It's not the original author's take (though I can't say I ever read those books). So you can take it as you want to. This might be another case of "lets use the name Perry Mason, write a film noir story and hope the Perry Mason name gets people watching.
  5. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista TCF Club

    Nov 22, 2008
    Boring Ohio


    1. I don't think we are meant to know, just whoever was paying them
    2. That's a good question. It was for added drama, I guess.
    3. I thought this as I was watching it but then disregarded it because I couldn't remember if that was always the way it was
    4. I'm going to assume the accountant Ennis killed also worked for the same people and had worked his way into the church. Baggerly's connection may have been ultimately hiring the thugs to begin with or just being a rich victim himself used to make the wife look guilty and taking his cash.

    All just conjecture on my part, of course.
  6. Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    According to the interview I linked to above, the second-to-last scene in this episode (with Perry, Della, and Paul) is the first scene of the first Perry Mason novel...
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  7. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    I wonder if the novels had Perry cursing hand having gratuitous sex?
  8. Tony_T

    Tony_T Well-Known Member

    Nov 2, 2017
    The last 15 minutes of the season finale was a set-up for S2 (which was not anticipated when the series began, it was to be a 1 season limited series)
  9. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

    Nov 12, 2003
    Lexington, MA
    We don't know...

    IApparently this is the guy who's "running" the cops and he's the person they're collecting for when they visit the whorehouses etc. The money was their cut. We saw Ennis at this casino in a scene earlier in the season, and Perry went there to talk to the owner (maybe one of the dead guys also worked there? I can't remember now...)

    Not Paul (Drake). It was Pete (Strickland). But yes.

    Well she was not in prison before the mistrial so she probably wouldn't be remanded after the mistrial. However, I think that we're meant to infer that they actually dropped the charges (contrary to what the DA said).

    They laid it all out in the fake questioning of Ennis on the stand (when they were prepping). Ennis worked with the other crooks (who were killed) in Denver, and Elder Seidel (the guy that Ennis stabbed to death) also worked with them. So when the church needed the kidnapping scheme to work, Seidel put together this crew and pulled Ennis in to provide police cover. This was outside Ennis's normal grifting alongside his partner, for the casino owner. That's apparently why they offed him at the end: he was too dangerous to their normal business.

    Edited: Or maybe Seidel only knew Ennis from when he worked in Denver, and reached out to him, and Ennis knew the others and put it together after that. That seems more likely based on what we know of Seidel :)

    That was due to the extreme circumstances and publicity, not normal take. I think they said something like, with all that even then they'd just barely break even (probably not counting the loans outstanding--remember Seidel going to the bank and getting turned down).

    Well, back in the 1930's I guess they weren't so careful about stuff like that :). Most of the jurors thought she deserved to be found guilty just because of the affair.

    Mason just kept that as a reminder to himself of why he was pushing so hard. It wasn't a clue or anything (they did have a scene where they tried to track down the thread but nothing came of that).
    It was fast. But, they did show him looking through want-ads (when he was on the phone with his wife) so we knew he was going to quit. Also from how angry he got when they gave him that envelope.
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  10. Squeak

    Squeak Well-Known Member TCF Club

    May 12, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio
    That is a very fair point, and I am most likely wrong about the motivations. I forgot Drake was still a cop at that point.
  11. dianebrat

    dianebrat wait.. I did what? TCF Club

    Jul 6, 2002
    ESG never wrote an origin story for Perry Mason which is why they were able to take the story in the direction they did, and I like that the end of the 1st season ends right as the novels begin.
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  12. jr461

    jr461 Well-Known Member

    Jul 9, 2004
    Northern NJ
    I agree with this assessment of the show. We enjoyed it a great deal and had no knowledge of the Raymond Burr show aside from the fact that he's a defense lawyer.

    I am one who abhors shows and movies that leave important plot points open ended for the viewer to decide an ending. I don't, however, expect every little detail to be explained. Where the new Charlie came from, for example. My assumption is that he was an orphan so, to address the question upthread, another mother didn't suddenly lose a child. Who stole dead Charlie? That wasn't answered but to me that's not a big enough plot point to care about. Probably Lili Taylor (I forgot her character's name :oops:) or her people at her behest.

    Whether PM or his guy paid off the juror? Doesn't matter. PM did many questionable things along the way so complicity or not here doesn't define him either way. Will he continue to straddle that line and fall on the other side going forward? We'll see.

    On the other hand, if the show was a series finale, just as an example, and ended with the verdict not being announced at all (leaving it for the viewer to decide)? I would have considered the entire show a waste of my time. It's about the ride but it's also about a conclusion. The little nitpicky points that PM left out there don't fall under this umbrella. The main case and main points were concluded and it was a satisfying season finale.

    What a great show! Enjoy!
  13. photoshopgrl

    photoshopgrl Nerd Fashionista TCF Club

    Nov 22, 2008
    Boring Ohio
    I personally didn't find him bribing a juror a deal breaker or that far out of character. He was positive his client was innocent, was getting railroaded and stuck with a farce of an attorney (himself). Now that he realizes he did a good enough job defending his client, that it hadn't been necessary, going forward doing it again may raise my eyebrows a lot more.
  14. markb

    markb Well-Known Member

    Jul 24, 2002
    San Diego
    Considering the case they introduced at the end is the case that begins the first Perry Mason novel, it was probably meant to connect it to the books, not lead into second season. But maybe they were hedging a bit? I figured for a second season, they'd want to stay in prequel territory, but they sort of tied their hands, didn't they?
  15. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

    Feb 2, 2006
    I grew up watching the original series with Raymond Burr. The only connection between this show and the original series is the name. I've never read any of the books so I can't comment on any references to them. All I can say is that this isn't your grandparent's Perry Mason. Not even close. The whole premise of having Perry get sworn in as a lawyer without having a law degree was absurd at the very least. The show lost all credibility with me at that point. I'm not usually a stickler for such things, but this was just too ridiculous to be even remotely believable. Had they called it something other than Perry Mason I probably would have enjoyed it more. What gets me is that each episode was labeled "The Case of the ..." when it was just a continuation of the same case for eight episodes. I would have preferred it if they just made the show about Matthew Rhys as a private detective instead of having him pose as a lawyer.
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  16. madscientist

    madscientist Deregistered Snoozer

    Nov 12, 2003
    Lexington, MA
    I'm not sure why you say that. All lawyers used to be trained by apprenticing with other lawyers. Della created a faked certificate of apprentice to E.B. for Perry, and Perry passed the bar (admittedly he cheated by getting all the answers ahead of time from Hamilton Burger). I don't know the exact history of the California bar: it's quite likely that by 1930 they did require a degree from an accredited law school but it wasn't THAT long before 1930 that many bar associations did not require that.
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  17. getbak

    getbak Well-Known Member

    Oct 8, 2004
    Calgary, AB
    You can actually pass the California Bar without having a law degree today: The State Bar of California

    Although, it still requires 4 years of study, so you probably wouldn't be any better off trying to do it that way.
  18. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    That's incorrect. Each episode was called "Chapter 1" and so forth in order.
    Perry Mason - Season 1 - IMDb

    I get your sentiment, but I get the feeling this was supposed to be closer to the books than the TV series. I haven't read the book, but calling each episode a Chapter number kind of tells me this. Also finishing the series where the books start is another. Again, it's an origin story, and like many origin stories (think of how many versions of the Batman or Spiderman origin stories there are), they are usually not what the original author intended, but what a Hollywood writer thought would be interesting. I'm fine with that since I never read the books or saw the original TV series. Would I be alright with that if I was a fan of either of those? Probably not.
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  19. Dawghows

    Dawghows Liberal Elitist

    May 17, 2001
    I mentioned before, but will say again:
    Erle Stanley Gardner himself became lawyer without ever earning a law degree.
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  20. Steveknj

    Steveknj Lost in New Joisey TCF Club

    Mar 10, 2003
    New Jersey
    Did they ever talk in the books about how Perry became a lawyer?

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