Perry Mason (HBO) season thread **spoilers**

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    photoshopgrl

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    hmmm... I don't even remember that exchange. Maybe I need a rewatch of the season. I never watched the original PM. Was he or Della gay? I feel like they wouldn't have gone there during that era of TV.
     
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    Rob Helmerichs

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    I never watched it either, but my understanding is that neither of them had any kind of love life.
     
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    jr461

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    Typical TV fighting scenes and aftermath. Often TV fights include blows and falls and bangs into walls and other object that, in real life, would render the person barely able to breathe or move at all. In TV they come right back fighting strong.

    Really enjoying the show and how it's gotten better and better with each episode. I didn't know anything about the characters previously (except that Perry was a defense lawyer) but it's really well done and well acted. I especially like the period feel to it.

    Sad it's ending this week but happy it was renewed for another season.
     
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    dianebrat

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    Keep in mind that Raymond Burr was gay, even though Mason was not, and early on they did try to imply that Perry and Della were a couple in the Burr Mason series, but I suspect they gave it up when that chemistry was just never there.
     
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    That’s a stretch. One could also say that if he denied being gay, then that’s an indication that he’s gay. I would mention that he was married, but then one could counter that that proves nothing.

    I find it extremely unlikely that Perry’s gay.
     
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    getbak

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    In their first meeting, Baggerley (the Terminator) mentions that Mason had been discharged from the Army on a "blue ticket", which is reserved for "undesirable servicemen" such as gays and Black people. He then asks if Mason is Black.

    Mason responds that he's "a quarter Welsh and queer only once".

    It's in the episode with all the WWI flashbacks, so my interpretation of it was that after what he experienced in the trenches, he found the easiest way to get discharged.
     
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    Howie

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    Had to google inamorata. I've led such a sheltered life.
     
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    markb

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    I have no idea what that line means. But after that, Baggerly says, "I heard they called you The Butcher of Mountfaucon. Brought before a military tribunal." So I figured he was discharged for war crimes. (They showed us some of that in the war flashback.)
     
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    To be fair, I don't think it's a war crime to shot your own wounded, just a crime. And war crimes only get prosecuted if you're on the losing side.
     
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    In addition to 50's & 60's tv series, Raymond Burr played Perry Mason in 26 two-hour movies in 80's & 90's. In those movies Barbara Hale played Della Street also. All the ones saying they never saw the original series most of come across one of movies at one time or another? :)
     
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    cheesesteak

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    I never watched one minute of any Perry Mason series until this one. When I was a kid, Perry Mason had the stigma of being an "old people" show that my great aunt watched. I almost had to force myself to watch the HBO version even though I can now be counted among the "old People".
     
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    jr461

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    I also have never seen even a minute of any iteration of Perry Mason prior to this or heard of any of the characters other than the main one (I have been watching TV since the late 60s). In fact, I didn't even know there were later movies (I suspect TV movies) until this post.

    Della Reese - real person and heard of (and remember most from Chico & the Man).
    Della Street - fictional character and never heard of before the HBO show.
     
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    Dawghows

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    As a kid I watched TONS of episodes of the old Perry Mason TV show because my father rarely missed an episode, and I rarely passed up an opportunity to watch TV. Even so, the show hasn't crossed my mind hardly at all since those days, and I'm kind of surprised how much I remember about it now that I'm watching this. But regardless what I do and don't recall, or how faithful they are or aren't being to the source material, my wife and I are LOVING this show. Can't wait to see what happens in the finale.
     
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    Browsing the guide in DirecTV I've come across both the series (on FreeForm and MeTV) and the movies you reference (I want to say Hallmark movies, but not positive), this past weekend. But I haven't watched either. Once the HBO series is complete I might take a look, but I have a feeling it's going to feel like 1950s TV fluff.
     
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    Dawghows

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    I wouldn't call it "fluff," but it will definitely feel dated.
     
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    Well this is probably the minority opinion but I just don't see the love for this show. The characters are all extremely unlikable aside from Della. They turned Perry Mason into an alcoholic degenerate. You have to want to root for the main characters to succeed and I quite frankly don't really like or care about any of them. The way they converted Mason into a lawyer was just to easy and quick and unbelievable. And the woke changes to the some of the characters is quite frankly laughable. I've stuck with it since its only 8 episodes but I probably won't bother with the second season.
     
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    photoshopgrl

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    I knew the name of the character Perry Mason and I knew he was an attorney that had a gift for getting people to confess on the stand but I have never seen any of the episodes or movies.
     
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    Dawghows

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    My guess is Perry is going to progressively become a former degenerate. You can already see it happening. And while I happen to agree that his transition from P.I. to lawyer was a weak spot in the show, it would be interesting to know if that was a nod to the fact that Erle Stanley Gardner himself became a lawyer without going to law school.
     
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    Steveknj

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    I agree with this. I think even though we see Perry as sort of a broken man, you can tell with this case, that he's trying to defend someone who's been wronged, and that's the likable part of him. Obviously EVERY modern character has to be very flawed, and almost a degenerate loser. But this is clearly a redemption story for Perry. It's about how he went from this poor excuse of a man to a defender of the wronged. So I disagree that Perry is a character that is unlikable (well maybe at the beginning). I also think that both Lithgow's character and his assistant were/are likable as well. Flawed but likable. Heck, I even like Perry's assistant.
     
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    Edmund

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    In the first of the movies William Katt ("Ralph" on the greatest american hero) played Paul Drakes son, of course William Katt in real life is Barbara Hales son. Later movies had William Moses as the PI.

    Raymond Burr was my Mothers favorite actor so we watched alot of PM and Ironside. She past before it came known that Raymond Burr was gay. In the early 90's I was recording 5 episodes a day of PM on 4 vcrs including two 8mm vcrs. It was televised on two different channels in the LA area, ch 9 and the Pat Boone owned Ch 56.
     

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