Penn & Teller: Fool Us - Anybody Watching?

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  1. Feb 5, 2021 #1041 of 1056
    Turtleboy

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    I know you’re joking, but Penn has said that he doesn’t want to do that kind of show. It will never be like the other talent shows where the judges tell people that they suck. The point of the show isn’t really to fool P&T, it’s to give these magicians exposure.
     
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    Hank

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    Yes, I'm joking and I know they like doing this show for ultimately other reasons. That's fine.

    But personally, I'm getting a little worn out at the "here, pick a card. Now sign it and put it back into the deck" tricks.

    There was one "magician" on the most recent episode whose skill was sub-sub-par. I could see every force, lift, steal, and stash he was doing. I'm not saying I could do it any better, it's just that when Penn starts to praise his act, I throw up a little in my mouth. ;)

    Conversely, there is at least one act per episode I have no freaking clue how the trick(s) were done.
     
  3. Feb 5, 2021 #1043 of 1056
    HarleyRandom

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    Of course it is, but like magic, it ends right when it has to.
    Again, I'm asking about the technology. I'm picturing some technology like they convinced Barney Fife he was using when they wanted him to sing so softly no one could hear him, and then he looked so amazed when he heard Glen Cripe's booming voice.
    He did explain about what the judges do on a few occasions but I never knew the conversations were two-way. In fact, "the" judge has to talk in Allyson's ear in some cases.
    Yes they do.
     
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    HarleyRandom

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    It is pretty amazing that everyone is so good.

    I never watched "American Idol" but if I did it would be for Simon's comments. And I've had the ability to record and fast-forward the whole time that show has been on the air.
     
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    Hank

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    No special technology, just regular microphones. The mics on Alison and the guest on stage can't pick up P&T talking to each other or to the judges. The control room controls what mics get cut in to the final mix you and everyone else hears. They just don't include P&T's mics when they're talking to each other.
     
  6. Feb 5, 2021 #1046 of 1056
    HarleyRandom

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    But Barney was told not to sing the way he normally does. It amazes me that they could talk loud enough to be heard by the judges and not be heard by anyone else.
     
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    Hank

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    They just need to be not heard by the microphones. If P&T are just talking to each other, I doubt Alison+Guest could hear everything they're saying.
    Also, does it matter if they hear P&T deliberating about the act's own performance?

    What matters is that the audience doesn't hear P&T "talking shop" with the specific details of the act. The guest already knows how he did it, and if P&T got it right, no big deal. If they got it wrong, the guest would know for sure they didn't know how it was done without Penn "talking in code" which he only really does for the audience.
     
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    I think one of the guys on a recent episode (within the last half dozen I think) did his act on America's Got Talent..

    I have NO IDEA how it works -- the cards on different sides of the little 'strip' on the table being different colors, and he moves cards under the strip and they change colors.. he moves the strip around and the card underneath changes colors....

    and the last one of the last bits is when the card is 'chopped' exactly where he stops moving the strip over the card.
     
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    markb

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    That's Eric Chien, and you're right, he was on America's Got Talent.

    On that last part, with the chopped card, I think the way he carefully projects a shadow with his hand is a clue.

    My theory:
    The ribbon is dragging piece of velvet around, which covers part of the card. He projects a shadow with his hand so we don't see the texture move against the background. When it's not moving, it's not apparent. The lighting appears to be setup intentionally so he casts a very dark shadow on the table.
     
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    mattack

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    but the color changing cards? Even it's a special light and special ink on the cards, that doesn't seem to cover all situations he shows.
     
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    markb

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    I'm thinking the part where the color changes as he drags the ribbon across the card must be similar to the chopped card:

    Instead of a piece of velvet being moved with ribbon, it's a red filter.

    But there are obviously a lot of other effects going on in that routine. I haven't decoded it all, and what the secrets that I think I have decoded are speculation.
     
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    Actually, I think I've got to take some of that back. I watched it again, and he lifts up the cut card, so there's definitely a gimmicked card, involved, too! Not quite sure how that gimmick works.
     
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    That Niagra Fools trick was the dumbest trick I've ever seen on FU.

    Edit: "Hocus Pocus" was almost equally as lame. LAME!
     
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    Yes! That Niagra Falls trick was awful. Besides all the camera cuts where at any point he could've just stepped out, as he was getting in the camera panned so we couldn't see that other end, which was blocked by an assistant. I figured right then he was just going all the way through.

    Hocus Pocus, agree too that it was lame. Clearly the paper was filled out back stage, brought out of the back of the chair, and when he stepped down he pulled it from the chair. You could even see a glimpse of the white along the edges of his envelope as he held the paper behind it.
     
  15. Hank

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    Exactly on both points. Niagra falls was just an insult to magicians. So many freaking outs. At least Chris Angel tries to do complete, uncut takes with multiple cameras (although you really don't know for sure) --- at least he TRIES to make it believable there are no outs. Also, with NF, there was absolutely NO confirmation he was in the barrel after they closed it, like his tied hands through the bung hole. I mean, even THAT they could have faked with a robotic hand. Nope.

    And Hocus Pocus you could see him lift the mad-lib from the back of the chair without Tivo/replay.
     
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    Agree on both points. It made no sense to have the assistant take the chair away other than making it completely obvious that is where the completed mad lib was coming from. And yeah, I could have performed that Niagra Falls trick myself! :)

    The plate spinning trick was cute, but it was also pretty easy to figure out that no matter what number you picked, the logic would always end up on #1.
     

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