Pan Am, S1E05, "One Coin in a Fountain", OAD 10/23/2001

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  1. kaszeta

    kaszeta $nullstring TCF Club

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    Well, while several weaknesses continue to plague the show, it's starting to get some legs. The CIA subplot is getting some legs, and they look like they might be addressing my "what does Kate actually get out of this?" question.
    The Kate and Niko subplot looks like it might go on for several episodes as well, setting up some interesting tensions in the crew (Maggie pissed off at Kate for stealing Niko, and both Maggie and Collette know about the pilot shagging the Pan Am exec's wife).

    That said, it continues to sink in the ratings. I'd already put it as being on the bubble.
     
  2. Azlen

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    I'm getting pretty bored with it. Deleted the SP. I can see why it continutes to sink in the ratings.
     
  3. HomieG

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    Seems like every episode has a very similar plot, just in a different place.
     
  4. su719

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    Did planes in the 60's fly multiple routes after leaving the US and not back and forth like they do today?
     
  5. kaszeta

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    Well, the 1963 timetables are available on the internets:

    http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/pa/pa63/

    It appears that there was a lot of multi-hop travel, especially through London, Paris, and a few other hubs.

    It also seems that Monte Carlo wasn't one of their destinations....
     
  6. Unbeliever

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    That's because Monaco doesn't have an airport. They mis-captioned that landing scene. The script dialog and the almost-looks-like the real airport had them going to Nice Côte d'Azur Airport, which is the closest airport to Monaco. (Page 05 on your link)

    What they definitely wouldn't be is "Clipper 22" no matter where they went.

    --Carlos V.
     
  7. RandomTask

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    Why not ? Clipper was PanAm's call sign.
     
  8. Unbeliever

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    Clipper? Sure.

    Flight #22 no matter where they went? Not so much.

    --Carlos V.
     
  9. RandomTask

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    In 1963? I have no knowledge of flight numbering schemes but I've certainly been on flight with two digits numbers.
     
  10. kaszeta

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    I think his point has been that they've called that plane "Clipper 22" on multiple episodes, with multiple itineraries, which doesn't make sense.
     
  11. AlphaDelta

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    I believe Pan Am's signature flights at the time were around-the-world flights, stopping at 6-8 destinations, one flight E-W, another W-E. Wouldn't be surprised if they were numbered Clipper 1 & 2.
     
  12. Unbeliever

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    I think we need to explain that airlines use callsigns not in the form of N-numbers like us bugsmashers, but in the form of:

    <airline callsign> <flight number>

    E.g. Us Airways flight 1432 would be

    AWE1432 on the flight progress strip.
    "Cactus 1432" on the radio.

    --Carlos V.
     
  13. kaszeta

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    You are essentially correct. For example, the schedule above has a Flight 2, starting in New York, ending in San Francisco, with stops in Glasgow, London, Frankfort, Belgrade, Instanbul, Beirut, Karachi, Rangoon, Bangkok, Hong Kong, and Honolulu

    Very different model from today. Although, like today with certain carriers, there were a lot of restrictions, like not being able to use Pan Am for local traffic.
     
  14. RandomTask

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    Back then, airlines were either domestic or international but not both. I wasn't aware of the extended routes of the early jets. Seems like a tough life for the crews.
     
  15. SoBelle0

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    Gorgeous people, exotic locations, free time to see the sights and meet the locals... Looks like a fairly awesome life to me. :D
     
  16. kaszeta

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    Back then? That's still often the case, due to air agreements, partnership arrangements, and operating certificates.

    For example, you can't fly between US cities on Air Canada unless your itinerary includes a Canadian city, even though the plane actually flies there.

    Sure, the specifics vary, but there's still a lot of this going on out there.
     
  17. Flop

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    Nothing to do with Pan Am, but just something to show how silly and capricious air traffic regulations can be:

    To drive traffic to Dallas-Forth Worth airport, flights with more than 56 seats into/out of Love Field in Dallas were only allowed to and from another airport within Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, New Mexico or Louisiana. This is why for the longest time if you flew Southwest to Dallas, you had to purchase 2 tickets: one to an airport within the allowed zone, then a ticket to Dallas Love Field itself. Flights to and from DFW were not subject to the restrictions.

    In 1997 the law was changed to allow flights to Alabama, Mississippi and Kansas. Missouri was added in 2005. In 2006, the law was changed to allow connecting service to airports outside the zone, but all flights to/from Love Field must still land at an airport in one of the allowed states before continuing. The restrictions are set to expire in 2014.
     
  18. kaszeta

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    Yeah, I used to flight from PHX to DAL all the time in the 80s. Which involved stopping at ABQ, getting your bags, and checking back in.

    I also remember flying to Dublin in the 90s when the flight had to stop in Shannon Ireland for treaty reasons... but nobody got on or off, and the plane didn't refuel. It just landed, spent 10 minutes there, and then on to Dublin.
     
  19. Jesda

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    At least this episode had boobs.
     
  20. RandomTask

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    It looks better than it would be. The Jet lag going back and forth on routes like that would kill you. I did a round the world heading the other way once over a two week period and I was messed up for a couple weeks when I got home.
     

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