Overheating question - Edge vs Bolt

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  1. Aug 4, 2020 #1 of 14
    mikeg_ms

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    Hi folks.

    Question for people who went to the edge from the bolt. Are the overheating issues addressed? I have 2 bolts, on laptop cooling pads, with the card cover removed.

    As soon at the area hits 90 the bolt dies. Yes, 90 is high, but seriously, it’s not that high.

    What’s the current status on edge and heat tolerance
     
  2. Aug 4, 2020 #2 of 14
    dianebrat

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    I can't answer on the Edge, but I can say that I have done none of the Bolt dances of cooling pads or removing of covers and my 3 bolts have run fine with no overheating or failures other than a single system board failure years ago within 6 months of purchase.

    The huge masses of Bolts overheating because of cooling issues are more an issue of people without problems don't post on line, I'm not saying that the Bolt has never had an issue for anyone, just that the issue isn't ALL Bolts.
     
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    pfiagra

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    I’ve used a Bolt for about 1 year, and just purchased an Edge. With the Edge in the same location where the Bolt formerly was, I see at least a 10 degree drop in the ODT on the Edge vs the Bolt.
     
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  4. Aug 5, 2020 #4 of 14
    mikeg_ms

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    I’ve been through 3 - all of them have had overheating issues, like I said, the area is measured with a laser thermometer at 90

    The Xboxen and other devices nearby are all fine.

    Still, good to hear edges run cooler.
     
  5. Aug 5, 2020 #5 of 14
    cwerdna

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    90? 90 F? If so, that's nothing.

    Bolts w/o extra cooling are pretty warm to hot to the touch above the Broadcom chip heatsink. Skip to 2:48 of .

    People report ODT (on die temp) on Bolts, presumably on the the Broadcom chip like 68 C (TiVo Bolt vs TiVo edge), which is 154.4 F. With my 2 fans, I recall seeing my Bolt+ down to 40 C (104 F).
     
  6. Aug 5, 2020 #6 of 14
    BigJimOutlaw

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    Folks have reported ODT's in the 40's compared to 60's with Bolts, so some progress was made with the Edge's blower design.
     
  7. Aug 5, 2020 #7 of 14
    mikeg_ms

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    To be clear, ambient is 90F, ODT is 60 before it chokes
     
  8. Aug 5, 2020 #8 of 14
    compnurd

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    That’s still low. My one bolt ran at 72 for over a year with no issue
     
  9. Aug 6, 2020 #9 of 14
    tommage1

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    My Bolt using an external drive runs about 60 (C?) degrees in a 74-78 F degree room. It's not much different using the internal drive. Sitting on a laptop cooler under same conditions 51-54 degrees. So the laptop cooler takes it down 6-9 degrees, not bad. But the laptop cooler is a bit noisy. Cannot speak for Edge. I do know my Roamios and Premieres run about 40 degrees. However not sure that is the same type measurement taken with the Bolt.
     
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    From TiVo: TiVo Holiday Trade-In, Trade-Up Sale: trade in your Roamio OTA/VOX (plus $299.98) for a Bolt OTA
     
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    The post is about two years old. But you are right, the older units used a different method to get the temperature you see displayed. I wonder what the EDGE shows in the same environment.
     
  13. tommage1

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    One poster says 10 degrees cooler than Bolt under same conditions. However they do not give any specific temperatures. Since the ODT seems to be CPU temp I looked at computers. Here is what I found, net search of course so cannot vouch for reliability. I will say my Bolt with laptop cooler at 51-54 degrees seems fine.

    "The majority of today's desktop processors should not exceed temperatures of 45-50°C when idle, or 80°C when under full load. Below is a chart listing many types of processors and their average temperatures under full load.

    AMD A6 45°C - 57°C
    AMD A10 50°C - 60°C
    AMD Athlon 85°C - 95°C
    AMD Athlon 64 45°C - 60°C
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 45°C - 55°C
    AMD Athlon 64 Mobile 80°C - 90°C
    AMD Athlon FX 45°C - 60°C
    AMD Athlon II X4 50°C - 60°C
    AMD Athlon MP 85°C - 95°C
    AMD Athlon XP 80°C - 90°C
    AMD Duron 85°C - 95°C
    AMD K5 60°C - 70°C
    AMD K6 60°C - 70°C
    AMD K6 Mobile 75°C - 85°C
    AMD K7 Thunderbird 70°C - 95°C
    AMD Opteron 65°C - 71°C
    AMD Phenom II X6 45°C - 55°C
    AMD Phenom X3 50°C - 60°C
    AMD Phenom X4 50°C - 60°C
    AMD Ryzen 70°C - 80°C
    AMD Sempron 85°C - 95°C
    Intel Celeron 65°C - 85°C
    Intel Core 2 Duo 45°C - 55°C
    Intel Core i3 50°C - 60°C
    Intel Core i5 50°C - 62°C
    Intel Core i7 50°C - 65°C
    Intel Pentium II 65°C - 75°C
    Intel Pentium III 60°C - 85°C
    Intel Pentium 4 45°C - 65°C
    Intel Pentium Mobile 70°C - 85°C
    Intel Pentium Pro 75°C - 85°C"
     
  14. pfiagra

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    Correct, I didn’t provide any temperatures, but that was because I didn’t control for room temperature, time of day, processing load, with and without external fans, etc. between the Bolt and Edge.

    Based on multiple checks of the ODTs on both units under similar circumstances, my guesstimate was simply that the Edge is at least 10 degrees cooler than the Bolt.
     

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