OTA TiVo not released?

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  1. Oct 2, 2014 #41 of 386
    nooneuknow

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    You can even write down the TSNs from the sealed boxes, and put them on priority update lists. I tried that, just to see what would happen. TSN was accepted, on a never-opened TiVo, still at the store.

    I like the TSN on the outside, as I'm the type that digs through the stacks, looking for the highest serial numbers, for anything I buy. Higher S/N on name model of product, tends to mean newer, and sometime makes warranty issues easier.
     
  2. Oct 2, 2014 #42 of 386
    Mr Tony

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    hence the reason I own one. Got it the 1st day they were available. Ordered thru my BB and got it 2 days later
     
  3. Oct 3, 2014 #43 of 386
    Mr Tony

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    so lemme understand this. Just because I "can't afford" 700 buks up front and would rather pay $15 a month I (in YOUR mind) look like an idiot?

    Last I checked you weren't my wife (don't have one...don't need one) and I'd rather do it this way. News Flash...some people actually DON'T want lifetime service because either they cant afford it or just don't want it.

    actually I DID replace a Series 3 with this one. I got the Series 3 for $10 from someone because "it was broke"....and it had service on it until end of August. All that was wrong was the hard drive cable somehow got loose. Used it 6 months.
    Why did I upgrade? Simple. 4 tuners versus 2. (and the HD only had the 21 hour hard drive) ;)
    By the way I've had 4 Tivo's now. Premiere for 3 days (OTA tuner sucked...returned it), Used Series 3 with Lifetime (sold it...needed the money), and the 2 I just talked about previously.

    Exactly. But I guess I look like the dumbass because I wont get lifetime (according to some people here) :rolleyes:
     
  4. Oct 3, 2014 #44 of 386
    aaronwt

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    Whether someone wants to pay monthly or all at once with Lifetime should not really matter. It is fortunate that TiVo allows their customers to choose. That was not the case with some DVRs from other companies in the past. They only had one choice. There is nothing wrong with someone paying monthly or getting lifetime. It is their money and their decision what they do with it.

    I typically buy lifetime service. But I also have one TiVo on $6.95 monthly. If I did not have the option for $6.95 service back in 2007 then I would not have a Roamio Basic on $6.95 monthly. Since it's just a secondary TiVo for me I would not have paid all the money for lifetime when I got it last November.
     
  5. Oct 3, 2014 #45 of 386
    arrowrand

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    I'm new to this forum and to TiVo too. Well, not new to TiVo, but it's been years.

    I'm happily subscribed to DirecTV, but I've wanted to try TiVo and thought this OTA would be perfect. I just went through a local channel blackout and this would solve that.

    I gave up on the OTA with all the delays and ordered a base Roamio yesterday, and I didn't do lifetime.

    I'm not stupid, broke or lazy, I'm just not sure that I'll be using it after my 12 months are up.

    Even though I lack lifetime service on it, I'm really looking forward to the Roamio showing up.

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  6. Oct 3, 2014 #46 of 386
    Captainbob

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    I have argued the same point for weeks on this forum, and finally gave up. Many of the people that post pro-lifetime see nothing wrong with spending $500 up front to save $15 a month years from now ( providing the product is still working) , on a then 3-4 year old piece of electronic gear. I've been in the electronics business my entire life, and to me that's like buying a 10 year extended warranty on a $500 TV. I finally gave up, because I realized that this saving of $15 a month to some folks is the most important thing in their lives. I don't get it either, especially when some of these same people seem to be still paying monthly cable bills. Go figure.. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Oct 3, 2014 #47 of 386
    Captainbob

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    Exactly my thinking. I think it is a poor choice to drop down $500 on a product that you may not be using in a year or two. Like buying a lifetime supply of a certain beer, that you may hate in a year.
     
  8. Oct 3, 2014 #48 of 386
    arrowrand

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    I'm not calling it a poor choice, just that for me it isn't the right choice.

    There's no chance that I cut the cord in the next 5 years, and there's little chance that I switch to cable.

    At this rate, I could use it for my 1 year and drop it. I could also use it for a few years and love it.

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  9. Oct 3, 2014 #49 of 386
    telemark

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    The argument that everyone should buy Lifetime is almost like saying everyone renting an Apartment should be being a Condo. And homeowners are throwing money away with a mortgage, they should be buying with all cash.

    But the more interesting part is about Risk. If Tivo wants higher subscriber numbers (and who doesn't want that?) They will have to reach people who never had a DVR before. People who are saying why would I pay $500, which is more than many pay for their TV, for some unknown accessory, that they barely know what it does, nor see the benefit.

    This is different for someone who is a long time Tivo (or even DVR) user. You know what you're paying for and getting in return. There is low risk of later disliking or not finding it useful. Tivo's are generally loved by those who tried, but the adoption rates never lead to saturation. (compare that to other tech that did become ubiquitous over the same time period). That's very telling there's a barrier to acceptance, and the least Tivo could do is play/experiment with the initial pricing to start addressing it.

    It just wish they did it sooner, like many years ago, instead of when they could be on the verge of irrelevance.

    Comcast with X1 offers free 6 months and installation. You gotta hope that those who get hooked on DVR's and TV Anywhere, will "upgrade" to Tivo from that because I don't see Tivo ever matching that offer.
     
  10. Oct 3, 2014 #50 of 386
    Captainbob

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    Another issue is the competition that the cable and dish providers are in currently trying to capture new customers from their competitors. They will offer fantastic deals for the first year, trying to get people to switch, offering free DVRs and HD along with their very low intro rates. . I talk to folks all the time, including family members, that switch from one provider to another to take advantage of these deals. Being tied to a lifetime contract on a DVR that may or may not work with another provider, limits that option in many cases.
     
  11. Oct 3, 2014 #51 of 386
    aaronwt

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    Why wouldn't the TiVo work with another provider? As long as they use cable cards the TiVo will work. Here I could switch between Comcast and FiOS if I want and my Season Passes will carry over between providers.
     
  12. Oct 3, 2014 #52 of 386
    trip1eX

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    You should own instead of rent. And with a mortgage you own the home you aren't leasing it. Your payments are finite. It's a loan.

    IF the cable company broke out the cost of your equipment in your bill and your fees would stop when it was paid off then it would be comparable to a mortgage.

    They don't have to go after non-dvr users. Nothing to do with it really.

    Tivo's problem has always been the cable company. The cable company was in a position to make life difficult for Tivo. They had all the power. They had control over the network and already had a relationship with the customer and they had b&m customer service centers within driving distance of every customer.

    And yes most people would rather make small monthly payments in perpetuity vs paying a lot up front and saving in the long run. And cable was in a much better position to take advantage of that.
     
  13. Oct 3, 2014 #53 of 386
    Captainbob

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    How about Dish and Direct TV and U-verse?
     
  14. Oct 3, 2014 #54 of 386
    joetekcor

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    I was one of the lucky ones who went to BB on day one and was able to order an OTA and picked it up 4 days later.

    Last month I ditched Dish Network after paying $160/month for service. I was already subscribing to netflix, amazon, etc and needed something to help with the current season OTA stuff. The new OTA Roamio is working great! I live about 5 miles from the broadcast towers so reception is no problem. My first scan picked up about 110 OTA channels. (OK, only about 6 that I'd watch)

    I know that everyone gripes about the $15/month fee but for us new cord cutters used to shelling out 10X that amount $15 is nothing. I looked into other alternatives but I don't have tons of money to invest up front. One time $50 and $15/mo is the perfect solution for me.

    And I'll add that the box has been working flawlessly for me. Been recording everything with a great picture quality. Streams netflix, youtube, etc over wifi without a skip. I'm just waiting for Amazon Prime streaming to show up.
     
  15. Oct 3, 2014 #55 of 386
    trip1eX

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    Ridiculous. You still have this logic that talks out of both sides of its mouth.

    this logic that says saving a bit of money by getting lifetime means nothing to me. But heaven forbid the small possibility I lose a little bit of money by going with lifetime.

    $15/mo for 2 years in is $360. YOu're pretty darn quickly in the ball park of $500. Do you know what you would lose if you went lifetime, kept it for 2 years and then threw your lifetime Tivo in the closet? You would have lost $6/mo or $.20/day those past 2 years.

    That's you the same person that says I'm not concerned about paying $.50/day for my dvr when told you can save money with lifetime.

    And then you have this ridiculous analogy to beer. As if people are going to get tired of a dvr like they might with a beer. YOu keep acting like some amazing new way to record, play, pause, ff, and rewind content is imminent.

    And if I have the ability sell my supply of beer as easily as a Tivo at any time and come out way ahead, relatively speaking, compared to making monthly payments in perpetuity, then I'm doing it.
     
  16. Oct 3, 2014 #56 of 386
    trip1eX

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    Well tivo is banking on customers like you who compare apples and oranges.
     
  17. Oct 3, 2014 #57 of 386
    ncted

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    Tivo is banking on customers who decide that oranges taste great and cost a heck of a lot less than apples (to extend your metaphor).
     
  18. Oct 3, 2014 #58 of 386
    trip1eX

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    maybe. I'm thinking more like....

     
  19. Oct 3, 2014 #59 of 386
    Captainbob

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    They are banking on customers that are glad to save over $1,000 a year by cutting the cord, as I did 2 years ago, but still like having a good DVR, and for those people a $15 a month fee is chump change compared to their former cable and dish bills, and I know people paying a lot more than $1,000 a year for their cable service.

    I have said this before, and will say it again, I work in an industry with all tech people that have been in the video business for years as engineers and technicians. When I bought my Tivo over a month ago and told them about the "lifetime ( of the unit) subscription plan, versus the $15 a month, not one of them said they would have chosen the lifetime plan.
     
  20. Oct 3, 2014 #60 of 386
    trip1eX

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    AS I said, Tivo is banking on customers like you who compare apples and oranges.

    That is supposed to trump math and reason and experience? :rolleyes:

    You're asking laymen for advice. You'll find more experts about the best way to buy Tivos on this forum than anywhere else.
     

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