OTA only Tivo on the way

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by dave13077, Aug 25, 2014.

  1. Aug 25, 2014 #61 of 538
    eboydog

    eboydog Just TiVo'ing.....

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    And new Roamios made after January 1st of this year don't included Amazon due to them not supporting close captions.... People are reporting there are stickers over the Amazon logo on new boxes!

    It's as if they keep taking features away from TiVos. First you had cable companies cracking down on copy restrictions disabling MRV transfers, TiVo Stream only supporting Apple, no Amazon on new boxes and now a premium TiVo with all its features removed that require a $15 monthly fee for on average 5 stations you might receive OTA.
     
  2. Aug 25, 2014 #62 of 538
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Just a point - TiVo service fee isn't for guide service, it is for TiVo functionality and ongoing support and updates (and to not pay sales taxes on the full price). :)

    I do agree, without a significant total cost of ownership discount, why would anyone take the functionality hit on this device? Seems like a huge insult to think a low entry fee will fool the consumer...

    Maybe TiVo marketing is smarter than me...
     
  3. Aug 25, 2014 #63 of 538
    tarheelblue32

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    The lack of Mini support is a little baffling to me. Isn't Mini support entirely software based? If so, then adding that feature has no marginal costs and they will sell more Minis if this DVR has that option.

    And I really don't understand why there is no lifetime option either. The appeal of this OTA DVR will be quite limited.

    I think it would have been better for them to keep the Mini support and lifetime option, even if that means setting the retail price at $99.99.
     
  4. Aug 26, 2014 #64 of 538
    BigJimOutlaw

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    The shine rubbed off this really quickly. Leave it to Tivo to make something "affordable" and a questionable value at the same time.

    I wonder if "no Mini" means no hosting, or no Mini streaming at all?
     
  5. Aug 26, 2014 #65 of 538
    bill875

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    No Mini, No Lifetime and the monthly price is what is going to kill this product before they even launch it. I suspect there will be some pricing changes as they obviously failed to identify with the money saving mindset of a cord-cutter. It the price point was $200 for the DVR and $7.99 a month for service, I'd consider it. IF it could function with at least two TiVo Minis.

    TiVo never ceases to amaze me with their inability to offer the products and services we want at a price that is reasonable.
     
  6. Aug 26, 2014 #66 of 538
    tenthplanet

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    It's a Channel Master killer and unlike dvr's that use free guide data sevices that could just disappear, as long as pay your monthly fee you are good. There is a market for this among the techno-phobic.
     
  7. Aug 26, 2014 #67 of 538
    slowbiscuit

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    Agreed, at $15/mo. and with the intentional crippling it is indeed DOA, and I assume that this pricing model will change rather quickly once the market weighs in.

    I'm not following why it couldn't be $4-500 with lifetime all-in (as an option), and non-crippled.
     
  8. Aug 26, 2014 #68 of 538
    StevesWeb

    StevesWeb Grumpy Old Geek

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    In Corona, California I'm receiving over 100 digital channels OTA. At least 30 are in English.
     
  9. Aug 26, 2014 #69 of 538
    series5orpremier

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    I'm guessing they don't want to grow their subscriber base because it might require them to expand their infrastructure for delivering updates to boxes.

    They seem pretty cheap as evidenced by them not wanting to create a functional web ordering system.
     
  10. Aug 26, 2014 #70 of 538
    jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    What are you talking about?
     
  11. Aug 26, 2014 #71 of 538
    dave13077

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    This is the second time you have complained about the ordering system. It is not something that you have to deal with once you order the equipment. You order and than move on, it is not something you have to deal with on going. If it pains you so much just call. It takes about 7 minutes of your life.
     
  12. Aug 26, 2014 #72 of 538
    series5orpremier

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    If only it were that simple. Go read the thread in the Roamio forum about the July flash sale. Being cheap is the nicest thing you can say about it when it's lack of robustness coincidentally could result in TiVo committing criminal fraud.
     
  13. Aug 26, 2014 #73 of 538
    Chris Gerhard

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    I think $450 with lifetime should be the proper price, modest profit and it would be the best value OTA DVR. As far as why it doesn't have the same functionality as a TiVo Basic, I guess that is the way to justify the premium for the TiVo Basic OTA market.

    I don't agree it is DOA as is, it was never intended to reach a mass market, it is competition for Channel Master, Simple.tv, and Tablo and the tiny market they are fighting over. I will pick TiVo every time because the software is just better and more reliable than the competition that comes and goes, usually very quickly.
     
  14. Aug 26, 2014 #74 of 538
    dave13077

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    If you think that a company committed "criminal fraud" than don't buy or use their product. Vote with your wallet. If you feel you were not treated fairly during the ordering process than return the product and dispute the charge with your credit card company. It amazes me how something so simple can get people so worked up. Life is too short.
     
  15. Aug 26, 2014 #75 of 538
    replaytv

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    I'm a amazed that TiVo would spend any time on a tiny market, except if they think that that market will grow a lot. I know that many people are 'cutting the cord' but I haven't seen anything that it is in numbers enough to spend any money on it. Especially because that market is exactly the market that doesn't seem to want to spend any money on a monthly basis.
     
  16. Aug 26, 2014 #76 of 538
    bayern_fan

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    Why couldn't they make it $100 with a $8-10/month fee or lifetime? I feel they would have many more potential buyers around that price point.
     
  17. Aug 26, 2014 #77 of 538
    moedaman

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    I agree with you on this. "Cord-cutting" should actually be called "cost-cutting". The vast majority of cord-cutters brag about the amount of money they're saving.
     
  18. Aug 26, 2014 #78 of 538
    series5orpremier

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    dave13077,
    You'd be better served to read before you type. If you don't like the answer you should cease changing the subject in trolling for explanations. It's just a factual datapoint to add to TiVo's pricing strategy in accessing their mindset. Your mindset could use some work.
     
  19. Aug 26, 2014 #79 of 538
    replaytv

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    I am wondering if TiVo is thinking if they can get none TiVo users into a DVR maybe they can sell them a more expensive one later on. Kinda like having the Civics and Corollas on the car lot that make very little or no profit. But many people come in buy one then later on they move up to a more expensive model. They might be especially looking at people that only watch TV through the internet. Or watch TV not at all.
     
  20. Aug 26, 2014 #80 of 538
    bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I agree, I think that would be the sweet spot and a reasonable offering. $100 maybe $150 less than a TiVo basic non-crippled.

    We tend to think of total cost in relation to lifetime service - TiVo is marketing this as a very low entry cost. But the crippled nature of it makes no sense!
     

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