OTA Live tv Tuner Options

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  1. dbpaddler

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    You mean the concern of integrating the two guides which channels can do via TV Everywhere? I must've missed that concern.

    And that's $6.67 per month. Just FYI.

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  2. Pokemon_Dad

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    He wants it in the TS4K standard TiVo/Sling interface. Unlike many here he hasn't hacked in to remove all that.
     
  3. dbpaddler

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    Well we can only lead the horse to water...


    Didn't we also want a TS4k that integrated into their dvr ecosystem? The old saying, if horses were wishes, hay would be scarce.

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  4. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Lol - okay, $6.67 per month vs free for essentially the same experience.

    Yes, I am happy with the Plex presentation, I am unhappy that my TS4K live TV guide does not include local channels - and don’t even think about recommending the Locast crap product! lol

    The only option that consolidates the content into a single grid is the AirTV 2 tuner with the Sling integration. I will definitely keep the Plex DVR and HDHomerun tuners In place, but i will likely also get an Air Tv 2 tuner to support casual live tv browsing In the TS4K grid.

    Really that is just to make the wife happy.
     
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    Locast is total crap. Why they're focused on it for such a niche market on top of its donation nag is beyond me.

    The integration you want will just take time. I even talked to the one dev about Channels, and he said it could happen over time. This is a long haul project for them so nothing is going to happen overnight.

    I pushed channels because TV everywhere integrates your paid sling into their OTA grid so you have OTA and sling in one grid. I currently use my OTA and my mom's fios credentials, and it's like I have cable again. I can even record unprotected cable channels from the grid and everything is integrated with their dvr.

    If that makes it over to the stream app at some point, great. If it makes it into a android tv carousel, great. Heck, even Android tv is in its infancy. Hopefully Android 10 will hit at some point and give better multitasking and open things up more. Imagine if we had PIP again. I'm still hopijg channels will do PIP with their grid and what you're watching now.


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  6. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I was quite surprised to see PIP on the Plex Implementation - I think that is the value of Channels and Plex. Because they run local servers, they are not limited to the thin client presentation approach that most of the streaming apps have to model.
     
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    Exactly. They're not tied to platforms or hardware. They'll use standard and generic hardware. As long as a NAS or windows device supports the decoding, you're good. So my celeron j nuc will be good to go for quite a while. And when atsc 3.0 hits, I just update the homerun tuner and keep on chugging.

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  8. blackngold75

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    @bradleys I'm trying out the Plex DVR, also. Question for you: if you're watching live TV does it take a long time to change channels (spinning circle for almost 10 seconds)? My NAS is not powerful and I'm wondering if that slows down Plex.

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  9. bradleys

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    At the beginning yes, but it seems to get better over time - like it is learning.

    you can see that in the video I posted right after setup.
     
  10. blackngold75

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    Looks like the PlexDVR could be interesting, but I don't think my NAS (ReadyNAS 102) is up to the task. It seems like an eternity when selecting or changing channels, and I do watch a fair amount of OTA.
     
  11. Pokemon_Dad

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    Plex benefits from a strong server, but in my experience the power on the client platform can dramatically affect performance too.
     
  12. bradleys

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    Are you using the TiVo 4K as your client? What kind of termed are you using? When I change the channel in the native HDHomerun app that came with the quad it takes a bunch of time to tune in as well.

    It lagged a bit when I first set it up, but i changed the location of the antenna and everything sped up nicely. So it may just be your tuner trying to get a good lock on the signal and have nothing to do with Plex or your server.
     
  13. blackngold75

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    TS4K is the client. It's not the tuner, because selecting a channel with the HDHomeRun or Channels apps is almost instantaneous.

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  14. Pokemon_Dad

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    Plex does transcoding on the server, while Channels does it on the client and offers a choice of hardware or software decoding. With Plex I grew very frustrated at the lag time between each video or music stream, especially with older client equipment. Sad to hear it's also got some lag on the latest TiVo dongle, but maybe there's some optimization you can do.
     
  15. blackngold75

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    That validates what I was thinking: that my NAS (ReadyNAS102) is not powerful enough to use with Plex LiveTV&DVR. Makes sense because some other things in Plex take a little longer than I wish they would. I'm not determined to use Plex as my DVR, just trying out that solution in addition to Channels before I commit to something.
     
  16. dbpaddler

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    So with OTA Plex doesn't send the mpeg2? It transcodes as well?

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    I don't know what it's doing specifically, maybe deinterlacing something, but when you see a lag like that then in my experience Plex thinks the client requires preprocessing of some kind.

    I expected that behavior when I had Plex on a little PC with an Atom CPU, but when I installed it on an i7 PC it was still slow whenever it thought the clients required transcoding, and that's when I gave up. But most of my frustration occurred when I was trying to use Plex clients on older devices. I'm really disappointed to hear this happens on the latest dongle, and I'm hoping there's some way to adjust settings in the app to tell Plex to give it a rest and just send the signal.
     

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