OS / UI based on Flash good idea?

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  1. Mar 4, 2010 #81 of 107
    vstone

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    I worked for a software company/ISP in the late 90's. One of the owners did the web site. Of course it was blazingly fast inside the building. Outside the building, all customers were dial-up. Downloading these huge HD pic files at 48K. What a mess!
     
  2. Mar 4, 2010 #82 of 107
    Sapphire

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    I like how everyone is passing judgment on how slow it is even though none of you actually have a box in your hands.
     
  3. Mar 4, 2010 #83 of 107
    MickeS

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    Sure, but the videos showed it to be shockingly slow. TiVo simply cannot release a product that works like that and expect it to succeed, so I hope that it's not an indication of how the final product will work in homes.
     
  4. Mar 4, 2010 #84 of 107
    Sapphire

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    I hope so too.
     
  5. Mar 4, 2010 #85 of 107
    vstone

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    Well, ...
    It's now clear that Tivo didn't think to use a powerful enough processor in the S3 et all to run HIRES graphics (or too cheap to write the code). It will be interesting if they didn't put enough a powerful enough CPU or GPU in it do what is needed. Sounds like search for the guilty and pnishment of the innocent.
     
  6. Mar 4, 2010 #86 of 107
    dswallow

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    It's quite clear the hardware in the S3 is quite capable of running HD UI graphics. The S3 does this today in HME apps, including one from TiVo. The slowness in TiVo Search is their reliance on data coming over the internet from their servers for the search itself, but as far as writing onscreen in HD resolutions using HD imagery and HD text, it's more than adequate. It's certainly no worse that current drawing speed, which in itself is quite fast. Any slowness has been mostly from the backend -- serving data to be displayed. For instance, putting up an HD guide on a S3 would seem a little slower because it's already being slowed down because the data it needs to display comes in slowly; so it'd put more onscreen in HD, and need to get more of that data, but it wouldn't be slower per-line than it is now, it'd be a linear speed decrease based on the amount of additional information they could now fit.

    The very demo that TiVo was using to announce this new device to the PRESS shows screen and menu drawing that is VERY NOTICEABLY SLOWER than even the S3 is today. That is a very bad thing to demonstrate to a tech-savvy group of people. That is the impression everyone is now going with. SLOWNESS.

    If this is indeed that slow because it's just not ready yet, well, bad timing for them. But really, why would you choose to show something that painfully slow and at the same time attempt to tell everyone how much more powerful the hardware is? It's either one of the most completely stupid things TiVo has ever done, or the UI will be that slow and the "performance" is hidden in the backend and is used up entirely, if not more, in providing the additional picture and UI elements or background processing.

    I sure hope when it's released it's much snappier. But if it is, I'm still going to say TiVo made an extraordinarily stupid move in showing it off in this condition under such a marketing campaign. And if it turns out this is the speed it will run, then TiVo made an extraordinarily stupid move in designing the platform and/or software on it.

    Either way, there's a very unfortunate common theme in there. And that is what is sad.
     
  7. Mar 4, 2010 #87 of 107
    SnakeEyes

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    Is it possible that part of the slowness is because of developer and debugging hooks?
     
  8. Mar 4, 2010 #88 of 107
    jmpage2

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    They would normally not use such a build to show off the product, although it is possible that they have shown it off prior to doing a "final scrub" to further optimize it for speed.

    If blazing speed is what you need then an HTPC will run rings around a TiVo (even this new S4 box).

    On the other hand, a PC is always going to be a PC (and not a TiVo).
     
  9. Mar 4, 2010 #89 of 107
    tivogurl

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    You should be fired if you haven't figured out by your first year in business that when doing customer demos you should leave out anything that could cast doubt on the product unless you're certain it makes no visible difference.
     
  10. Mar 4, 2010 #90 of 107
    heySkippy

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    I'd like to say that even though I'm not happy about the Flash thing, I do wish TiVo success. We're a loyal longtime TiVo family and don't want to switch.
     
  11. Mar 4, 2010 #91 of 107
    rainwater

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    As a TiVo user, why would you even care about it using flash? My guess is 99% of users will never know that it is using flash nor would they care. Did you know it was using C before? Did you know what UI library they were using for the UI? It is doubtful.
     
  12. Mar 4, 2010 #92 of 107
    SnakeEyes

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    Because using Flash kills puppies
     
  13. Mar 4, 2010 #93 of 107
    orangeboy

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    and kittens.
     
  14. Mar 5, 2010 #94 of 107
    Stormspace

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    Using h.264 makes you a slave to Steve. :)
     
  15. Mar 5, 2010 #95 of 107
    SnakeEyes

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    But then I'm harming no one but myself!
     
  16. Mar 5, 2010 #96 of 107
    ZeoTiVo

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    You are a puppy?
     
  17. Mar 5, 2010 #97 of 107
    SnakeEyes

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    slave to steve would be self harm.
     
  18. Mar 5, 2010 #98 of 107
    wierdo

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    At least Microsoft gives you the choice. If you had asked me 10 or 15 years ago if I would ever defend Microsoft, I would have laughed at you and said "not on my life." It's shocking how the tables have turned. People used to refuse to acknowledge how Microsoft was abusing their customers. Now the Apple users are doing exactly the same thing.

    Apple's newfound idiocy only reinforces my position that people who choose to use closed platforms might as well be punching themselves in the face. On both my phone and my laptop, there isn't anyone in the world who can tell me what legal software or content I may or may not put on it or what software a third party may or may not write.

    All this talk about Flash ads, poor Flash performance on various OSes and all the other noise is like saying that the RealMedia codec was crappy because Real chose to load the player down with adware. You're complaining about how people use it, not its design or functionality.

    And FWIW, Flash 10 runs great on my 4 year old Ubuntu laptop, and magically I never see annoying Flash ads, although that has nothing to do with TiVo.
     
  19. Mar 6, 2010 #99 of 107
    SnakeEyes

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    MS gives you a choice with what?
     
  20. Mar 7, 2010 #100 of 107
    wierdo

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    They give you the choice of running whatever software you like on their mobile OS. :rolleyes:
     

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