OS / UI based on Flash good idea?

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  1. Mar 4, 2010 #61 of 107
    Sapphire

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    You are probably right. :)
     
  2. Mar 4, 2010 #62 of 107
    jannlinder

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    Jailbreak your phone, install flash and be done with it. :)

    BUT be ready for any new OS updates to cripple your jailbroken iPhone if Apple so wishes.

    Apple says you do as they wish you to do on their hardware using their software. If you do not agree, then you did not really agree to the terms of service and should not have bought the iPhone to begin with. What you essentially did was buy the iPhone, and *lying*, you agreed to the Apple and AT&T Terms of Service. You really have no reason in the world to be upset. You lied when you agreed to the way Apple said you could use their product and AT&T's network. Why do you think you have a leg to stand on? Most courts would say you broke the contract -- assuming the contract was legal. It is NOT a shink-wrapped contract. Why do you think Apple requires you to leave the store *with* a contract in place when you buy an iPhone?
     
  3. Mar 4, 2010 #63 of 107
    dswallow

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    I hate both. But Quicktime was never a contender on the PC and still is not; it's horrendous, buggy and unreliable and very limited in feature set. It integrates poorly within browsers. It offers either very little ability to customize or is so complex to use nobody except Apple ever uses it.

    Flash may have its problems, and may be crash-prone in some environments, but compared to Quicktime, it's a mature and reliable product that offers a variety of features that can complement the user experience if not abused by the developer.

    Neither belong in an embedded device as a standard interface.
     
  4. Mar 4, 2010 #64 of 107
    jmpage2

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    Looking at QT today you can't tell at all what it would be if it had gained more traction over 10 years ago.

    I agree that both platforms are not feature rich enough for their proposed application, but that's where HTML5 comes in.

    The point I was trying to make is that lots of people are whining that Apple is screwing Adobe, when in fact Adobe are the ones that knifed Apple 1st.
     
  5. Mar 4, 2010 #65 of 107
    jannlinder

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    When the question revolves around Flash, and Apple is big-time wanting to get rid of flash on the iPhone/iPad, you are gonna get both. Especially when the question is of the power of the new series of HD Premiere players being able to run Flash without grinding to a halt (as shown in the video). It is EXACTLY why Apple will not allow Flash to run on the iPhone/iPad.

    Tell me that you are impressed of the speed of the Flash interface on the Premiere and I will not post another word about it. Until then, TiVo opened the door on this conversation by creating an interface that we (if we bought the TiVo) would be stuck using every day.

    The speed of the interface (or lack thereof) is a major reason my husband and I moved away from Comcast's DVRs! They were underpowered!
     
  6. Mar 4, 2010 #66 of 107
    SnakeEyes

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    So then this has really just been an exercise for you to criticize Apple and not actually discuss the point that was being made; my correct point that you and Apple agree that Flash isn't better. In addition to that, despite the fact that you don't think Flash is better you still want Apple to fail in supporting the replacement for Flash... html5. Got it.

    And you can run it if you want to. Buy a different device that supports Flash. It's a decision some companies chose to do and others chose not to. Just as what happens throughout the marketplace every day.
     
  7. Mar 4, 2010 #67 of 107
    Sapphire

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    Flash actually does fine with hardware acceleration, which is why I think the premiere won't have (m)any problems with it.
     
  8. Mar 4, 2010 #68 of 107
    jmpage2

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    Using MS and Adobe makes you "free"? :rolleyes: Now that's a laugh! I think there is a fanboy present in this discussion and it's not the people who like their Apple products.
     
  9. Mar 4, 2010 #69 of 107
    Stormspace

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    HTML 5 hasn't even been finished..and no decision has been made whether HTML5 will use a proprietary video format (H.264) or an open one (Ogg Theora). The Mozilla foundation has already said they won't put H.264 in Firefox because of this, and they have a good point since the H.264 owners could start charging royalties at any time.

    Flash is a safe bet right now...the devil you know. :)
     
  10. Mar 4, 2010 #70 of 107
    ZeoTiVo

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    no becasue they are gaming sites and flash is what the game runs in currently
    discussion of HTML 5 is the irrelevant part. The places I go on the web for entertainment - the entertaining part is in flash - a device that has web browsing that does not use flash is irrelevant to me. That takes care of the apple discussion from my end.

    as for TiVo - they had HME - I wonder how long the list is of people who said - love to work with you TiVo but I am not going to retool anyone to use HME just for TiVo. Buh bye.

    So TIvo asked them what would they work with currently
    who wants to guess the ratio of Falsh being the answer versus HTML 5 ?

    and for the last kicker - TiVo can very likely incorporate HTML 5 when needed in the future, so can my smartphone and so can Apple products and so on. So I ma future proofed and still enjoying my websites on my smartphone.

    TiVo can do business NOW and in the future when the answer is HTML 5 instead.

    so when all my websites are HTML 5 - then I will take another look at whatever iStuff Apple has then.
     
  11. Mar 4, 2010 #71 of 107
    heySkippy

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    That's assuming the Premiere box has hardware acceleration. So far I haven't seen any official evidence of that.

    But hey, maybe everything will work out okay and y'all will be able to play Farmville on your TiVo. Won't life be grand then? :)
     
  12. Mar 4, 2010 #72 of 107
    JimboG

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    I would like the freedom to keep my TiVo free from Flash. Flash sucks. The prospect of Flash ads for stomach band surgery and crappy lite beer makes me hesitant to replace my S3 with a TiVo Premiere.

    As dswallow mentioned, the menu performance at the TiVo Premiere launch event was laughably slow. Take a read through the user guide for the Series 4 TiVos and see how many new features there are that you can't get on a Series 3. Moreover, go to http://www.tivo.com/mytivo/product-features/index.html and compare the Series 3 or TiVo HDXL with the new TiVo Premiere. It's amazing that the page that is supposed to convince you to upgrade gives so few real incentives to upgrade.:(
     
  13. Mar 4, 2010 #73 of 107
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    My experience with Flash is limited to viewing websites and I find them very annoying. I have done everything possible to stop Flash from running on Firefox and if i need to view a Flash site, I hold my breath and look at with IE. If the new TiVo allows all the annoying ads and eye catching things that I have seen on Flash websites then I will not be upgrading.
     
  14. Mar 4, 2010 #74 of 107
    Sapphire

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    http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s357665

    With Adobe Flash Lite™ 3 software supported in the Broadcom® BCM3549, BCM3556, BCM7400 and BCM7405 SoC solutions,
     
  15. Mar 4, 2010 #75 of 107
    bkdtv

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    Note the BCM7413 became available in volume 3-5 months after that press release, so you wouldn't expect to see it mentioned in that announcement.
     
  16. Mar 4, 2010 #76 of 107
    MickeS

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    That answers an earlier question in the thread too, about why the BCM7413 doesn't have Flash included as a feature in the spec sheet. The 7400 and 7405 are explicitly mentioned as having Flash support built in, yet neither have it mentioned in their spec sheet on the site either. Maybe it's just something that is implicitly included.
     
  17. Mar 4, 2010 #77 of 107
    ZeoTiVo

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    read a little deeper - TiVo has stated that the HD menus are not ready for release yet. The premiere box will likely launch with the classic menus.
    So don't upgrade then. There problem solved - your welcome. :)
    the thing is TiVo makes no real gains by getting US to upgrade - likely it is a profit negative over time. The real benefit right now comes from new subscribers.
     
  18. Mar 4, 2010 #78 of 107
    tivogurl

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    This is why I believe the Premiere doesn't have hardware Flash acceleration. TiVo is being cheap where it shouldn't. If so, the Premiere is DOA, consumers won't stand for it.

    If Adobe won't rewrite Flash for Linux to perform like Windows with the entire Linux user community clamoring for it, why would they fix it for TiVo? There is no reason inherent to Linux or OSX for Flash to perform terribly on those platforms, which suggests they were deliberately written to perform poorly.
     
  19. Mar 4, 2010 #79 of 107
    JimboG

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    Never assume malice where simple laziness or incompetence would suffice.:D

    Given Flash's lousy track record on Linux, OS-X, and Windows, I don't expect too much from Adobe.:thumbsdown:
     
  20. Mar 4, 2010 #80 of 107
    tivogurl

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    If that's true, it's worse than I feared. The 7413 has hardware acceleration yet renders menus (let alone Flash video or animation) that slowly? Just how much of Flash does the hardware accelerate? I hope the TiVo isn't having to failover to software rendering all the time because the hardware is too limited. That Broadcom press release doesn't explicitly mention hardware acceleration either. It says "Flash Lite software supported", which could mean anything.
     

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