OS / UI based on Flash good idea?

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by hoyty, Mar 2, 2010.

  1. Mar 3, 2010 #21 of 107
    MickeS

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    25,986
    25
    Dec 26, 2002

    Advertisements

    I hate quoting entire posts just to add "+1"... but

    +1

    Except for that last bolded part: I don't think this TiVo is made for you and I. We already have a lot of this functionality, but those who mostly use cable boxes right now (with or without DVR) don't. This is aimed at them, not us.
     
  2. Mar 3, 2010 #22 of 107
    Joe3

    Joe3 Active Member

    721
    203
    Dec 12, 2006
    Boston MA
    TiVo, we have a problem, maybe!

    I have been trying to get my head around this tech company's big deal announcement, but couldn’t quiet put my finger on what is going on until now.

    TiVo is no longer a leading edge tech company and the economic rescission we are in is covering up for what otherwise would be obvious.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but the CPU capacity existed for an HD IU at the introduction of the Series 3. The capacity should have been built into the Series 3 when it came not now in the Series 4. The Series 4 is using a duel core processor that just about covers the HD IU.

    Why is TiVo not building its box to the edge of today’s high tech processors and technology? I believe that they have abandoned not so much their customers but their status as being cutting edge high tech for a Marketing plan that is more IBM than Apple. This is the uninspired, not turned on, disappointed hole they leave in everyone's gut when introduce their product.

    Instead letting the technology set the limit of their box, they are allowing their marketing people to artificially set tech limits that they can control by holding back some of the latest tech. They blame Hollywood and their content restriction which have nothing to with the tech that always leap frogs over what Hollywood is complaining about. They blame the consumer as not being able to afford the cutting edge stuff that should be in their boxes anyway by over charging for last years tech, keeping the TiVo faithful on their marketing meat hook. So you will see today’s latest tech in tomorrow’s Series 5 and it will again be disappointing but not enough for most to be knocked off the marketing hook. They disappoint because they are purposefully behind the tech curve in an outdated and old adoptive marketing model.

    My theory is that they are always going to disappoint because they are now more a marketing company than tech. However, this may be the beginning of the end for TiVo because the high tech gap they are willing to give up for a manipulative marketing strategy makes them extremely vulnerable for a smaller high tech company to take their dominance away.

    Just a thought!
     
  3. Mar 3, 2010 #23 of 107
    heySkippy

    heySkippy oldweakandpathetic

    21,216
    1,261
    Jul 2, 2001
    Sarasota, FL
    I think it's a terrible idea to use Flash. Personally, I hope Apple succeeds in killing Flash and failing that, maybe they'll force Adobe to come up with a version that works well on non-Win platforms.
     
  4. Mar 3, 2010 #24 of 107
    Sapphire

    Sapphire Xtal substance

    44,136
    841
    Sep 9, 2002
    USA
    Sounds like you should be boycotting Apple, not Adobe.
     
  5. Mar 3, 2010 #25 of 107
    Sapphire

    Sapphire Xtal substance

    44,136
    841
    Sep 9, 2002
    USA

    Advertisements

    I hope Apple fails, just because they want to force their will on the community at large.

    Why can't they just let the end user decide? No. Instead they punish you and lock you into their technology jail because they feel they know what's best for you. In other words you're treated like a 5 year old when you use an apple product.
     
  6. Mar 3, 2010 #26 of 107
    ZeoTiVo

    ZeoTiVo I can't explain

    25,527
    2
    Jan 2, 2004
    then again - TiVo is not looking for upgraders like you and me -- TiVo wants new sales to new subscribers. New subscribers may very well go - wow look at all the features, and what a shiny interface.

    and you are dead on about Flash developers and the host of 3rd parties writing flash apps. I look forward to all those widgets like they have made for newer HD TVs.

    PS - the iPad can not surf the majority of web sites I like to visit - killed iPad sale right there for me. I have a new smartphone that can hit those same websites with no tinkering by me. Flash is the current standard and TiVo Premiere does it via hardware which drops off all the negatives save for Adobe company and people who run it.
     
  7. Mar 3, 2010 #27 of 107
    wierdo

    wierdo New Member

    379
    0
    Apr 7, 2002
    Arkansas, US
    I don't think you know what you're talking about here. There are several phones that have had flash capability for literally many years. The one I've got now plays flash 9.4 content fine, without any hardware acceleration, although GPU accelerated 10.1 is supposedly coming soon.

    Philosophically, I don't have a problem with Flash. It works fine on my Ubuntu installation. (64 bit, no less!) I have a much bigger problem with Apple refusing to allow Adobe to put it on the iPhone.

    As far as the new TiVo UI being Flash, I couldn't care less. It's an appliance. It hasn't been reasonably easy to run third party software on it since the S2 was released. As long as it works reasonably well, they can make it run anything they want and I won't care.

    Edited to add: To be fair, Flash is far too resource intensive on slower CPUs to do HD video, although it will work fine for CIF-sized video.
     
  8. Mar 3, 2010 #28 of 107
    NotVeryWitty

    NotVeryWitty Too Big to Fail

    932
    71
    Oct 3, 2003
    Central Mass.
    According to your FAQ page, the Premiere is using the BCM7413. Looking at Broadcom's chip summary for that part (http://www.broadcom.com/products/IPTV/IPTV-Solutions/BCM7413), I see no mention of Flash acceleration. On the other hand, they do mention it for the BCM7125 (http://www.broadcom.com/products/Cable/Cable-Set-Top-Box-Solutions/BCM7125).

    Many people have been posting that the Premiere has built-in hardware support for Flash. Do you know if this is really true?
     
  9. Mar 3, 2010 #29 of 107
    MickeS

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    25,986
    25
    Dec 26, 2002
    Good point. I assumed it had hard ware acceleration based on what someone else (not bkdtv) wrote, but I may have misunderstood it.
     
  10. Mar 3, 2010 #30 of 107
    SnakeEyes

    SnakeEyes Active Member

    1,371
    12
    Dec 26, 2000
    Apple wants html5, an open standard, instead of the lazy, bloated, resource hogging closed Flash development. I'm going to side with Apple.
     
  11. Mar 3, 2010 #31 of 107
    MickeS

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    25,986
    25
    Dec 26, 2002
    I hate Flash too, and would prefer to see it gone (and like that Apple might make it happen). But that's because it SUCKS on webpages. I have no idea how it will work in the TiVo.
     
  12. Mar 3, 2010 #32 of 107
    samo

    samo New Member

    1,793
    0
    Oct 7, 1999
    Littleton,...
    TiVo has been aiming at new subscribers for years, but has been missing the shot after shot. It is about time to buy new glasses for marketing department or perhaps retire present stuff and get some new blood who can see better.
     
  13. Mar 3, 2010 #33 of 107
    nrc

    nrc Cracker Soul

    2,491
    35
    Nov 17, 1999
    Living in a...
    Ah yes. Apple, champion of open standards. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Mar 3, 2010 #34 of 107
    wierdo

    wierdo New Member

    379
    0
    Apr 7, 2002
    Arkansas, US
    No, apple wants H.264 video, which is not a royalty free standard. At least with Flash, you can do whatever you want with it once you've paid for the tools.

    When Apple starts pushing Theora video, I'll be happy to believe Apple's anti-Flash stance has anything to do with caring about open standards. Until that day, I stand by my assessment that it's more about trying to get people to use Apple tools instead of Adobe tools.

    There is absolutely no excuse for Apple refusing to let Adobe develop a Flash plugin for the iPhone and iPad browsers. Aside from attempting to push their software, that is.
     
  15. Mar 3, 2010 #35 of 107
    TWinbrook46636

    TWinbrook46636 Member

    191
    0
    Feb 8, 2008
    The moment a Flash plug-in becomes available for the iPhone you will have all sorts of garbage Flash apps and ads slowing them down to a crawl or crashing them. No thank you. I have experienced that enough on my PCs. Flash is a buggy resource hog. It's crap.
     
  16. Mar 3, 2010 #36 of 107
    MickeS

    MickeS Well-Known Member

    25,986
    25
    Dec 26, 2002
    I agree. But you don't really think Apple opposes it for that reason, do you?
     
  17. Mar 3, 2010 #37 of 107
    SnakeEyes

    SnakeEyes Active Member

    1,371
    12
    Dec 26, 2000
    They ALSO want H.264. It's not an either or situation. With Flash you can use H.264, as YouTube does now, just as you can with html5. At least html5 is an open standard.
     
  18. Mar 3, 2010 #38 of 107
    SnakeEyes

    SnakeEyes Active Member

    1,371
    12
    Dec 26, 2000
    Never said they were. But we'd all be better off if Flash were defeated by html5. So in this case, I'm siding with Apple.
     
  19. Mar 3, 2010 #39 of 107
    Sapphire

    Sapphire Xtal substance

    44,136
    841
    Sep 9, 2002
    USA
    I don't care what Apple wants. Apple wants its way or the highway. That's certainly not championing open standards. That's being a bully.

    End users want to decide for themselves. That is why so many people are jailbreaking iPhones to run apps they want to run and Apple doesn't instead of staying in Apple's technology jail.
     
  20. Mar 3, 2010 #40 of 107
    SnakeEyes

    SnakeEyes Active Member

    1,371
    12
    Dec 26, 2000
    Where you care or not is irrelevant to the discussion. And whether Apple is a bully or not, whether they champion open standards or not, doesn't change the fact that they are on the side of the open standard html5.

    So you like Flash, so you want Flash supported. Tell me why it's better.
     

Share This Page

spam firewall

Advertisements