Orville, Pilot 2017/09/10

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  1. Sep 11, 2017 #41 of 208
    mlsnyc

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    Good question. I got the impression that critics were given the first 3 being aired. I'll stick it out for as long as I can, whatever the case.
     
  2. Sep 11, 2017 #42 of 208
    DevdogAZ

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    I heard a discussion of critics on a podcast talking about the pilot and they speculated that McFarlane originally intended for this to be a straight parody/comedy and have a 30 minute run time. But in order to make it look as good as it did, they had to have a pretty big budget, and that required an hour-long show to get more ads to amortize the costs. So then the writers/producers were stuck with the concept of a comedy but needing to make it somewhat dramatic to fill an hour. And thus they ended up with a weird hybrid that wasn't funny enough and wasn't dramatic enough.

    Hopefully, they'll figure it out and the eps will get better before the masses stop watching. But I don't have high hopes. Serialized drama is not McFarlane's forte.
     
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    spartanstew

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    I was anticipating this show, so I could laugh.

    I wanted to laugh.

    I was ready to laugh.

    It produced zero laughter.
     
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    DevdogAZ

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    I think that's the fault of the FOX marketing department. McFarlane, at the summer critics press tour, told the critics that he had nothing to do with the promos and the fact that they made it look like a comedy. He wishes they hadn't done that.
     
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    pdhenry

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    I'm pretty sure there was a (uncredited?) Mel Rodriguez cameo in the Ninja Ogre character.
     
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    DeDondeEs

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    I sort of hope the Norm MacDonald character continues to make brief appearances like he did this week. It's not that I don't like Norm (his Norm Macdonald Live talk show on Youtube is actually pretty funny), but it would be a funny element to the show where the only time you see that blob character is when somebody steps on him or something.
     
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    RGM1138

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    Wait, he thought it was a drama?
     
  8. Sep 11, 2017 #48 of 208
    That Don Guy

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    IMDB says it's Patrick Cox.

    I did notice two American Dad! alums (besides Seth): Scott Grimes as the helmsman, and Dee Bradley Baker as the voice of the station's chief botanist.
     
  9. Sep 11, 2017 #49 of 208
    sonnik

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    I think the balance between science fiction and comedy will best be described as Red Dwarf-like. Red Dwarf definitely had episodes that weren't all that funny, and they had some pretty decent science fiction concepts that were unique at the time.

    Overall, I like it. I think one reviewer for Forbes stated that if a critic didn't like it, it's probably because they don't like McFarlane.

    EDIT: Upon thinking about it, I think that we've seen a lot of shows trying to be "Breaking Bad" - where this is trying to be more like the "A-Team" or something.
     
  10. Sep 11, 2017 #50 of 208
    Krandor

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    He considers it more drama then Family Guy.
     
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    allan

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    Seems more like the "C- Team" to me. :p
     
  13. Sep 11, 2017 #53 of 208
    JYoung

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    When I saw Braga's name in the opening credits, I groaned.
    Braga most definitely needs a stabilizing influence on him in the writers room and I don't think McFarlane is it.

    My big concern would be that Braga and McFarlane are going to bring out the worst in each other.


    The thing is, I caught McFarlane on one of the late night shows last week and he was saying that certain things were funny, like the Norm MacDonald as the voice of the Blob.
    He didn't seem to be selling it as a drama.

    (I do wonder if Fox has to claim it's a comedy/parody in order to avoid a lawsuit.)

    I saw that Forbes review and I agree with that theory. I think that how much one likes this show is going to be highly dependent on how much one likes Seth McFarlane's previous shows like Family Guy and American Dad.

    It's well known that McFarlane is a huge Star Trek fan so it's no surprise that he'd want to do a "Star Trek" series.
    If this show leans more into the humor, I think it will be ok to good.
    If it leans more to the drama, well I'm not sure that McFarlane has shown us that he's up to that side of the equation.
    (Caveat: I have yet to watch any of his live action movies.)
     
  14. Sep 11, 2017 #54 of 208
    DevdogAZ

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    It's not so much that it's a drama, but that it's NOT a comedy. There will be the occasional jokes and laughs, but as an hour-long show, they've got to have a real plot and dramatic tension and all the other stuff. So he was trying to manage expectations of people who see the FOX promos and think they're tuning in to a Seth McFarlane comedy set in space.
     
  15. Sep 11, 2017 #55 of 208
    TonyD79

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    I hope that is all true because it is more likely to find itself if it isn't rushed like the pilot would have been.
     
  16. Sep 11, 2017 #56 of 208
    TonyD79

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    The thing is, that it has to be funny to the audience. It was not obvious that MacDonald was the voice of the blob and who the heck cares if he was or he wasn't? Is there something blobby about MacDonald or did McFarlane just think it was funny that his buddy was in the show? "Jokes" like that are the downfall of programs like Orville.

    The blob was funny on its own but since it was in every promo I have seen, it lost its punch last night.

    Anyway, the humor level is somewhat below standard Sci Fi like Star Wars or Star Trek. Ain't a comedy at this point.

    And, there is no way this resembles in the slightest American Dad or Family Guy (that God for that).
     
  17. Sep 11, 2017 #57 of 208
    mlsnyc

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    I can only think of Ted, Ted 2, and A Million Ways to Die in the West.

    The Ted movies were pretty much a live-action Family Guy or Cleveland Show, so people who like MacFarlane most likely liked them. I know I did.

    I liked A Million Ways to Die, which is probably more in the spirit of what he's trying to do with The Orville. But Million still was, at its heart, a comedy. Whereas with The Orville, it's more a labor of love, a homage to Star Trek as well as to his love of space. (I thought he did a great job bringing us Cosmos, whatever his day-to-day involvement was in its production.)
     
  18. Sep 11, 2017 #58 of 208
    DevdogAZ

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    Interesting that McFarlane chose to work with Norm McDonald on this, because he was originally the voice of Death on Family Guy and they ended up replacing him with Adam Carolla because Norm was so unreliable and unpredictable.
     
  19. Sep 11, 2017 #59 of 208
    spartanstew

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    I recognized the guy from Last Man on Earth immediately, but I don't know his name.
     
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    spartanstew

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    They must be in every other episode.
     

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