Original Roamio CableCard question

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by ScottE22, Oct 25, 2017.

  1. ScottE22

    ScottE22 How YOU doin'?

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    Yeah - those things just spin. Looks like they're meant to "discourage" customer removal. Would something like this work for Internet and TV? I know for OTA it doesn't matter as much and DTV has their own frequency range requirements, but I'm not used to messing with cable/internet coming over coax.

    https://www.amazon.com/Antronix-433...9032542&sr=8-10&keywords=4+way+cable+splitter

    I'm hoping this is the case. Seems kind of "bait-and-switchy" to do that. Which is the kind of business practice that I am certain Comcast would never engage in.
     
  2. ScottE22

    ScottE22 How YOU doin'?

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    I’m just leaving the Comcast “store.” Not a bad experience! Of course they couldn’t get the $5/month deal with the HD, but I feel pretty good about it. It’ll end up being about $25/month and I’ll get HD locals and HBO streaming free for a year — still far less than I’m paying for DTV and less cost and more features than Sling or DTVNow. For $25/month it’s not worth screwing around with the antenna on the roof.

    They sent me on my way with a Card and a 1x2 splitter which will get me started while I order another.

    Now to pick up a couple Minis. Hoping to find some on sale with today’s Vox announcement.

    One other wondering... I have a guest room that I won’t get a mini for bc it’s rarely used. If I just plug coax into the TV, I should at least get SD locals in the clear, right?


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  3. sfhub

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    My area tries to upsell me by saying HD isn't included with limited basic. Instead of arguing with them and pointing out on the rate sheet where it says it does, I know they don't have a program package to remove HD from limited basic on the back-end, so I just called them on their bluff and said I don't need HD. Lo and behold HD works fine on limited basic. I can't say the same for Basic Cable. It used to be the same as I describe for limited basic, but they started doing some billing changes to change the meaning of HD technology fee from HD equipment fee to HD service fee. Still many people have HD without the HD technology fee.

    It is up to you, but to save $240/yr plus taxes, it might be worth a little hassle to go with the $5 package first and see if what it gets you is what I described on my Comcast system. You already have the CableCARD, so you could just call it in and change to the $5 package, then if it doesn't have HD, switch to your existing $25/mo package.

    I included the most recent rate sheet for my area below.

    You'll notice there is a $2.50 fee for Limited Basic Only Converter. Then there is a special HD Digital Converter (Limited Basic Only) also for $2.50. This is the first example of "special" rules for limited basic.

    Then you'll see the HD Technology Fee $10 (but with footnote #6)

    #6 Not available to customers with Limited Basic only. Must subscribe to HD Technology Fee to received HD programming.

    So in the past I pointed out to Comcast, why would the HD Technology Fee be "not available to customers with Limited Basic only". Does that mean I can't get HD if I am Limited Basic? Of course they took the easy way out and said yes, that is what it meant, but I was really trapping them. I then pointed out, why do you have a HD Digital Converter (Limited Basic only) if I can't get HD on limited basic. They were stumped and had to call the regional head. The regional head admitted the wording was wrong on the footnote. Instead of #6 saying "Not available to customers with Limited Basic only" it should have said "Not applicable to customers with Limited Basic only"

    He also mentioned there is no package that would exclude HD from limited basic so on limited basic your CableCARD gets authorized for both SD and HD locals.

    So now when I help people install Limited Basic setups with TiVo, I just tell them to call the bluff that the Comcast local reps give about needing the HD technology fee for HD, and tell them they don't need HD. Works every time, in my area.

    Your area might be different. If you area is the same as mine, you are essentially paying $20 a month for HBO, so if you don't care about it that much, worth a shot to see if you can get Limited Basic with HD like I described.

    BTW you'll also notice they have different rates for a "Digital Adapter" (ie Tuning Adapter) whether you are on Limited Basic where you get 3 for free, then $0.50 for each additional, vs a "Digital Adapter" for regular cable where it is $5.99 per additional outlet. This is why I made the statement that Comcast has all these "exceptions" for Limited Basic, where they don't do the customer unfriendly practices, until you move up to regular cable.

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  4. ScottE22

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    That's a great suggestion. I may do that once I'm up and running. I have a "home office" day today so I'm messing around with getting my Roamio set up now. I replaced the old splitter with the 1x2 and my internet is working and the Comcast says my Card is activated. I just forced a TiVo connection so now I wait....

    Edited to add...

    It does look like it's $15/month more but with taxes and fees it nets out to be $25/month more. So it's the $5 locals plus the $10 HD fee as was mentioned earlier. Once I get everything up and running, I'll call and ask to drop the HDs and see what happens...

    As for now, I can't even order a Mini until Sunday. I don't need Vox or 4K on all my TVs so I was just going to pick one up for now but I can't even add it to my cart on TiVo.com and Amazon now only has preorders for the Vox Mini.

    I'm hoping to see another $99 promo to transfer lifetime from my Roamio to a new Bolt Vox. That would be exciting. Now what to do with my two lifetime Premieres?? :p
     
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  5. sfhub

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    Ah, it looks like you are getting the Broadcast (and Regional Sports?) surcharges?

    Should be pretty simple to drop HD then and see what happens after they set everything up, plan won't even change.
     
  6. krkaufman

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    If you ever might want to flip the switch on MoCA you might want to consider MoCA-compatible splitters/components.

    See here.
     
  7. krkaufman

    krkaufman TDL shepherd

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    Unlikely, but not impossible. Having gone digital most everywhere, Comcast requires a STB or DVR to decrypt all broadcasts. Your TiVo DVR will be assuming that role for itself and any connected Minis.

    You could choose a Mini (purchase) or a Comcast-supplied STB (rental) to your liking. See @sfhub's post, above, for the associated rental costs.
     
  8. ScottE22

    ScottE22 How YOU doin'?

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    Sounds good. If and when the time comes that we have guests, I can either temporarily relocate a Mini or pop for a new Vox for another room and relegate the older Mini to the guest quarters.
     
  9. Rxpert

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    If you start having issues with your modem dropping its connection, you may need to replace the splitter with an "unbalanced" one. Right now yours is "balanced" with a 5 dB signal drop at each of three connections. An unbalanced splitter will have one connector for the modem with a 3.5 dB signal drop and two others for your TV, with 7.5 dB signal drop each. Seeing the top of your modem, I'm guessing it's an Arris SB6141 DOCSIS 3.0. It should work fine. It's when you upgrade to the scary-fast DOCSIS 3.1 that even a small signal drop can wreak havoc with your connection, e.g. the SB6141 downloads on each of eight channels, whilst a DOCSIS 3.1 divides the same signal into 25 download channels. Cheers.


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  10. krkaufman

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    FYI...
     
  11. TheJose1972

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    Yes you do need a cablecard. I have a premiere in my living room with cablecard. Getting a bolt for my bedroom only to act as a mini mainly for storage. I was gonna do ota but my cable and net is so cheap its not wirth an antenna

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  12. ScottE22

    ScottE22 How YOU doin'?

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    Yep. That’s kind of where I’m at... $25/month (taxes included) for locals in HD and a year of HBO GO... I can’t get Sling, DTV Now, or Hulu Live for that. If I was 10 miles closer or maybe 50’ higher in elevation, I’d be able to get all my locals reliably but based on my experience and research, I’m in a really bad spot for reception...
     
  13. ScottE22

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    Just a quick thread update... I ordered an original mini and a Mini Vox and am happily running my old Roamio and both minis with a CableCard. The upgrade to Hydra seems to have gone through without a hitch so I’m so far pretty pleased with my setup and saving over $60/month over satellite. I’m using Ethernet and it seems to be doing well.

    Eventually, I’ll add another Mini Vox and move the original Mini into the basement guest room when we have guests. And I’m sure at some point I’ll swap the Roamio for a Bolt or Bolt Vox if they maybe do the flat-fee lifetime transfer again...

    I know that sometimes these threads go “dead” with no resolution so I figured I’d pop in to say all is well and thanks for the help!
     
  14. mikey1273

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    I have had comcast for a long time on linited basic and internet. Before they changed to all encripted tv in my area I was using windows media center with a atsc/qam tuner card. Then they went encripted, I had to get a silicondust HDhomerun prime and cable card. With clear qam and the cable card I got all the Hd channels in the package I was paying for with no HD tech fee. In my area they are in the 800s. For a while I was also getting some channels like the extra discovery channels and a few sports ones I wasnt to get, one day they went away after over a year. Now I am on a package called internet plus, it includes limited basic, hbo and preformance internet at like $90 with taxes and fees. HD is included with my cable card tuner with no extra fee still. I have an xbox360 i can watch live tv from and 2 PCs, no extra outlet fees for that they dont know how many screens I have the service on.
    I am in the process of switching to a Roamio and a mini since windows media center is no longer well supported and I dont trust Comcast's equipment. I had too many of their cable boxes that didnt work proper and needed to be replaced in the past and dont want the X1 thing and all the fees for extra boxes and Hd. The tivos should work the same as my old media center setup with Comcast.
     
  15. ThAbtO

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    To clarify, the cable card is not a tuner. it just does things like authorizing, mapping and anything else associated with cable.

    Yes, The Roamio 4 tuner basic model does Cable and would need a cable card for any authorizing, mapping of channels. Some cable co. also need a tuning adapter. Same for the 6 tuner models, but this version is cable only. The 4 tuner can use OTA, should you go that route.

    For Mini, it must be connected by ethernet or MoCa (ethernet through the coax). Connections can be Mini-to-Router by MoCa (aka Tivo Bridge), with the Host DVR (Roamio in this case) by either ethernet or MoCa. Roamio 4 tuner models need a MoCa adapter if you choose to connect this way.
    (Wireless is not an option for Mini.)
     
  16. mikey1273

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    Yep you do need a cable card above is very correct it only does the subscription autherization and mapping. the tuner is in the tivo or other tuner host device. Not all cable providers require a tuning adaptor, I dont have one with Comcast service. If its required they should give it to you with the cable card.

    My set up will use ethernet since I have a drop at all locations and gigabit LAN so I dont plan to mess with MoCa unless I move and cant get an ethernet drop at each tv.
     

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