Orby TV

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  1. unclehonkey

    unclehonkey Well-Known Member

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    at the time nope. Comcast for some reason had dug up the lines so there was no cable coming to the townhouses. I remember calling them to ask about it and when they came out they told me they would have to run a new line and I'd have to pay for it. Told them to shove it and got DSL which at the time (2004) 1.5MB was fine for web surfing :)
    When I moved out in 2012 they finally started running the lines to the townhouses (the neighbor did pay for them to run a line to his house a year earlier which they just ghetto rigged and hadnt buried it when I left)

    Centurylink is running fibre to that part of town. My mom's house, which is 3-4 blocks from where I lived, can get 1GB internet if she wanted to.
     
  2. cannonz

    cannonz Well-Known Member

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    I didn't notice Velocity had changed names till seeing this channel list.
     
  3. jcthorne

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    Orby is asking $40 a month minimum and does NOT include national networks (NBC, CBS, ABC and FOX). Dish basic plan is $40 (just went up) and INCLUDES locals and some sports channels like ESPN. Not sure how this pricing is going to get them customers.
     
  4. osu1991

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    Which plan is that? AT120 is $70 a month. The Welcome Pack and Smart Pack are no longer offered to new customers and they didn't include any sports channels. Flex Pack is $38 and doesn't include any sports.

    edit, you still have equipment lease costs with Dish also, so the another $10-15 per month, above the programming price depending on equipment leased
     
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  5. NashGuy

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    Yeah, I'd say Dish's $38 Flex Pack is fairly comparable to Orby's $40 package. Neither include locals or major sports channels. There's a lot of overlap between the two, although Flex Pack contains USA, Hallmark, and FX while Orby has Nick, Investigation Discovery, and Animal Planet. Dish gives you the option to spend extra for lots of different add-on channel packs, including locals, while Orby's upgrade options are much more limited.

    With Dish, you have to lease your receiver/DVR ($5 to 10 per TV, I think) and with Orby you have to buy the hardware up front ($100 for a regular receiver or $200 for a DVR, per TV).

    With Dish, you typically have to sign up with a 2-year contract (depending on a credit check), during which time your price is usually frozen. But I think you get free or discounted installation. With Orby, there's no contract and no credit check; service is pre-paid (like Netflix), so you can start and stop it any month, although the price could go up at any point too. You pay $150 for the installation, although that includes an OTA antenna which they install alongside the satellite system. (Again, I wonder how many folks who would consider Orby -- mainly rural dwellers, I'd think -- could pick up much OTA TV?)

    Main question I'm not sure about is whether Dish offers the Flex Pack to new subscribers or if it's only something that an existing subscriber can switch to, perhaps after their initial contract is fulfilled. Assuming Flex Pack is available for new Dish subscribers, that makes the potential market for Orby that much smaller. Will be interesting to see if they can survive very long.
     
  6. Bigg

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    Orby is going to fail. This is the worst time to be getting into satellite TV, and they are operating in a niche of a niche of a niche without any brand recognition, and with high upfront costs. The market they are targeting already has DISH, and DISH has a LOT more options to offer at a similar price.

    We've discussed this before, but I don't think so. Satellite has some advantages for commercial and rural usage, but probably only room for a single satellite provider.
     
  7. Bullduty

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    I have the orbytv service..love it for the cost. Have had directv and dish over the years.
    Orby has no hidden charges..I am curious if ever Tivo roamio will pair with it?
     
  8. unclehonkey

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    no because its satellite. Tivo works with cable or Over the air (there is one Tivo model that works with Directv)
     
  9. cannonz

    cannonz Well-Known Member

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    A year later Orby still there.
     
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  10. hahathatsfunny

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    For new satellite subscribers, Dish has a two year AT120 plan locked at $59.99/month. It is $20 more than Orby but likely worth it, but that $20/month more is subjective.

    After the two years, the price goes up significantly, but Dish has a Flex Pack. However, Dish has raised the Flex Pack pricing quite a bit. From 2019 it was $38 as mentioned upthread, and now it's $54.99. Who knows if they will even have a Flex Pack two years from now given their history of removing low tier packages and increasing them. That being said, if I was in the situation of going satellite, I'd enjoy it for two years and then figure out pricing increases later...
     
  11. smark

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    I think the Dish offer though doesn't include the equipment fees so it starts adding up quickly. Has sports though I believe, just depends on what is important.
     
  12. Mister B

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    I tried Orby TV last year. I am a hobbiest and know how to set up a FTA dish myself and enjoyed being able to choose a larger dish and the best regarded LNB. Some of the top rated channels are HD while many of the others are SD. The picture quality on the HD is similar to those cases where two 720p signals are carried by the same OTA channel. The PQ on the SD channels is similar to the diginet OTA sub-channels.
    I found the Orby two tuner OTA side of the DVR to be less capable in my challenging location. After a couple of months of their satellite service I switched to their unadvertised service of guide and DVR capability for the OTA channels only at $12 per month. I found that the guide is only PSIP data from the TV stations themselves which in my area is less than accurate. I felt that I was paying Orby $12 per month for the right to use equipment that I had paid for outright and using guide data that is furnished free from my local stations. That is when I just turned it off and bought a used Tivo white Bolt with lifetime off of eBay.
    I actually hope Orby makes a success of it just to give the other two satellite companies some competition. It would be a good service for someone with a smaller TV and who simply want a few channels but are not very particular which.
     
  13. Series3Sub

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    More like the channels (media companies) raise the rates they charge Dish, don't want to be in Flex Pack anymore with its reduced pricing, or raises the price for Dish to keep that channel in the Flex pack. The problem or fault is NOT any of the MVPD's (yes, they really would like to lower prices for subscribers because the current high prices are driving subscribers away), rather the problem is the media companies who own the channels who have ANNUAL rate increses built-in to mult-year contracts and keep raising and raising rates each and every year, and then you get to a point where TV with MVPD's becomes too expensive to most people.

    The sad part is that this very same process of slow but steady price increases for media company's channels is occurring for the vMVPD's, and the last report was that all vMVPD's LOST subscribers for the first time ever. The separate streaming services of On Demand providers like Netflix, Disney+, et al. is also headed for larger price increases and trade-up for even more content or channels within some services is becoming the A la Carte model which is the most expensive and least value type of service. Once streaming services increase prices to a sustainable level, it will be too expensive to have more than TWO streaming services, or even ONE is all most people can afford or are willing to pay. The same monster is growing bigger and badder for vMVPD's and streaming services.
     
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  14. Series3Sub

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    Orby is no competition for the other satellite providers. Orby is designed to be as low cost as possible, and this means poor PQ, a MINIMUM of channels and certainly no cutting edge whole home equipment like the 5 tuner Genie (I know, junk, but you know what I mean) or the 16 tuner, any 4 channels on one TV screen Bar Mode very capable Dish Hopper 3. That is the Orby business model: to not become so big and expensive as DirecTV or Dish. The competition for DirecTV and Dish are the vMVPD's (who all lost subscribers for the first time last quarter) and the Streaming Services like Netflix, etc.

    The real problem is that Orby had not been selling well at all. I don't know the latest numbers of sales, but, remember, Orby is very expensive to set-up because the consumer has to pay for all the satellite equipment up-front and Orby, at least it used to, requires that the system be installed "by Orby" that the consumer must pay for. This is a business to fail. I can't see Orby far into 2021. It may even fold before 2021.
     
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  15. Bigg

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    It's a tragedy of the commons. The channels are all incentivized to extract as much as they can out of the MVPD's, even though in the end they are killing their own business. The whole pay TV bundle is too bloated. Cable should have targeted the $30-$40/mo price point for a regular tier of channels, but instead they're at $70/mo+ with all sorts of other fees tacked on. As a result, the whole industry will fall apart. And good riddance to them. They have been sharply declining the quality of content that they're offering and raising prices for well over a decade. The new world is harder to navigate, but the quality content as well as the quality of the UX and VQ are all so much better.

    I'd agree. I don't know what market they were trying to target. They're in a niche of a niche of a niche. They're like a crappy version of DISH, and DISH already does DISH's thing well (at least outside of the greater NYC/CT area where they clearly don't want to be based on missing sports channels).
     
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  16. hahathatsfunny

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    Orby's attraction likely is higher in areas with households without access to high speed internet, and households wanting lower price than Dish and ability to be non-committal for at least two years.

    If one has high speed internet, one can go streaming and get Philo, or YouTube TV as alternatives to Dish, DirecTV and high priced cable. Orby has the Philo channels plus the Warner channels and CSPAN/CSPAN2 though. Orby's lineup before premiums is not bad, kind of like combining Philo with AT&T Watch TV, but add a DVR to the AT&T Watch TV side.
     
  17. Bigg

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    A niche of a niche of a niche does not a profitable service make.
     
  18. tommiet

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    Smark is correct.. I dumped Dish after 11 years as the cost of a DVR and fees was getting close to $50.00 a month. Even if you BUY your own equipment, they still charge you all the fees. And I don't miss the rain fade issues with satellite TV.

    Please no rocks... I do believe Dish makes a better quality dvr than TiVo.

    Be Safe
     
  19. Series3Sub

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    They were trying to market to those who want lower priced linier TV service. What is ironic is that Orby is giving those people who subscribe to it what it wanted: a low priced linier TV service with key channels, but thsoe same subscribers complain about NOT getting certain (expensive) channels and wanting MORE channels, which would lead to HIGHER PRICES for the consumer. And Orbi leases transponders on anohter company's satellite, so not only would the cost go up for Orbi as far as new programming/channels, but likely costs to lease more transponders, if they are available at the sat whree they lease current xpdrs, and at what higher price the sat company wants to extract. Is not the LOWER prices the reason people subscribe to Orbi?

    Remember CableVision's foray into satellite, destined to fail coming late to the MVPD/Sat party and requireing the consumer pay FULL retail cost for all the costly satellite earth station and STB equipment. With Orbi you get to pay all the costs of equipment and installation. WHAT WERE THEY THINKING! I believe Orbi is Ku FSS, but I'm not certain. Orbi seems to be filled with hobbiests as subscribers, and that will not lead to success for Orbi.

    Contrary to what people say about Orby targeting rural areas, I find this is NOT the case for two reasons:
    1. Orbi needs critical mass for this business to succeed, and there aint enough folks in our now more urban/suburban nation than ever before. BTW, both DirecTV and Dish did everything they could to get orbital slots that had a CONUS footprint because getting urban and suburban subcribers was the only way they could make money, not getting all the little itty bitty numbers of subscribers in rural areas nationwide. The FCC had set-up DBS slot per region simuating the MSO's, but that made no economic sense to build and then run a DBS business that could not only survive, but compete with Cable.

    2. Orbi is actively marketing with TV commericials in LARGE urban markets like Los Angeles since it began operations, and in the ads Orbi compares it self to CABLE TV--NOT satellite as in rural areas. The commercial also shows a very upscal major city-like suburban home etc. clearly aimed at "city folk." Orbi is after people in the big cites metro areas and they NEED those subscribers to have a chance at surviving.

    But I suspect they will go out of business some time next year. Their service is just not most people want, and having ONLY rural customers is NOT enough for Orbi to survive.
     
  20. hahathatsfunny

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    I agree that it's pretty niche.

    From this article though,

    https://www.multichannel.com/news/orby-launches-new

    Further, Orby TV believes there is a core of rural consumers, for whom the broadband capabilities necessary to stream video are unavailable.

    So, they are targeting cord-cutters and those wanting low price , but implicit is that those without high speed internet (typically rural areas or isolated homes), lack the streaming options alternatives to Dish and cable.

    What is a little bizarre for a provider that markets "Affordable Satellite TV" is how Orby is pricing the premiums. 4 channels of HBO for $18/month, 4 of Cinemax for $12/month, no Showtime, 4 channels of Starz for $9/month. Epix is fine as in line with what other channels offer (4 channels for $6/month, although on Sling it's $5/month), but the other three premiums seem overpriced.
     

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