OnePass channel changes

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  1. MLM1

    MLM1 New Member

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    I just discovered this problem. My wife said, "hey, what happened to Big Bang Theory?" We had a onepass for it on our local CBS HD station, and we definitely saw the first episode of this season, but we haven't seen any other episodes since then. Looking through the onepass manager, Big Bang was gone. I didn't delete it and my wife says she didn't either.

    So we tried to set up a new onepass, and it won't let us select only the local CBS station, it will only let us choose TBS, the local myTV channel or "all." Even though next week's CBS showing is in the guide. I also tried setting it through TiVo online, but the same problem there.

    However I was able to modify the onepass for CBS only using kmttg.
     
  2. JoeKustra

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    I thought that was fixed. I guess not or maybe you just didn't notice it for a few weeks?
     
  3. MLM1

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    It's still not fixed for us, we're running 20.5.2a. I have a Roamio basic. I spent a half hour trying to get a new onepass to record CBS only. Rebooted and all that stuff. kmttg is the only thing that worked, but I didn't try the iOS app. We also have no idea why the existing Big Bang Theory onepass disappeared. I'm also getting error C501 on What to Watch Now, this has been going on for at least a few days, but my wife said that was working OK last week.
     
  4. amybang

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    I have that problem too. It will record the CBS one if I tell it to get all episodes but only new eps only. I thought the problem was that there were too many channels all showing repeats and it only let me pick from the first 5 or so and my CBS channel was too far down the list.
     
  5. MLM1

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    I think you are right. I checked Family Guy, which is on four stations (eight if you count SD and HD), but the on-screen UI only lets me choose from six of them. The FOX SD channel is the lowest numbered channel but it is not on the list, and neither is the HD channel.
     
  6. JoeKustra

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    We should have 20.5.4 soon. Maybe it's fixed there. Nobody ever responded to my post on the TiVo support forum. I do remember the TBBT was one of the first to have the problem.
     
  7. belfert

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    My problem with OnePass is it has been defaulting to the SD version of the channel even though I was on the HD channel in the guide when I setup the OnePass. I can easily change the channel to the HD one, but I have to remember to do that for each new OnePass.

    Before I realized OnePass was doing this I was wondering why a new show looked so bad and finally realized it was recording in SD. I never watch anything in SD these days.
     
  8. ej42137

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    I was able to reproduce your problem, and I found a circumvention.

    My BBT One Pass has been on my TiVo for a long time and continues to record just fine. But if I go to my other Roamio and try to create a BBT OP I have the problem; I can't set the OP to the CBS affiliate HD channel because it only lets me choose from the first four channels it finds or pick all channels, and there are more than four channels with BBT episodes in the channel list before you get to the CBS HD channel.

    I then went to the channel settings and (temporarily) marked those four channels that were getting in the way as "not received" in the Channel List; when I went back to the OP the CBS HD channel was in the select list and I could choose it for the OP. So although this is a real problem, there is a work-around.

    I suspect this is just another artifact of the change that caused a OP created from the a channel entry in the guide not to default to that channel.
     
  9. JoeKustra

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    Two ways to fix that. Disable the SD channels and set the default to Get in HD If Possible. Change the guide to "My Channels" (or Favorites).
     
  10. HerronScott

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    Boy that's an odd one. Definitely open a case with TiVo on this one!

    Scott
     
  11. JoeKustra

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  13. JoeKustra

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    I only saw one response and it was not from TiVo. It was from someone who understands the issue from other posts like http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10639811#post10639811.
     
  14. cherry ghost

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    The list of channels available for a OnePass is not from low to high, but next air time. If your local Fox doesn't have Family Guy reruns, you're not going to see it in the list until you get closer to Sunday.

    Also, I'd bet if you eliminate one of your SD channels, making the number of channels seven rather than eight, the list will show you five rather than six.
     
  15. rcr2

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    So I just got my Roamio Pro today from the black friday special, and went to re-populate all the Season Passes I had from on my HD.. and I had the same problem. Couldn't find the 'Network channel' for a bunch of shows (Middle, Modern Family, etc.. just TNT, TBS and so forth) (East coast - they are on network Channel 7 / 507 on Verizon FIOS). After this thread and fiddling around, it seems like it won't 'know' there is a channel to select if there is a queue of more than 50 shows upcoming (maybe 75 - I didn't bother counting) and that channel is not in one of those 50 shows.

    This is in addition to the channel not showing to be selected if it is not in the downloaded guide data.

    So, two issues, actually.

    If you have a very popular show that is in massive syndication for repeats, you will have difficulty finding the normal network channel that the latest new shows and season are on. Choosing 'new only' or limiting to a certain season won't work either..

    Removing the SD overlapping channels works because it removes 'true duplicates' and makes it more likely that there won't be so many repeats that your network channel showing gets pushed past whatever the queue limit is.

    You'd think a simple pivot-table approach would work for TiVo, where it would offer all channels that it is expected to be broadcast on, even if it isn't in queue or showing up past the queue.

    It looks like they short-cutted the 'available channel' selection by taking a sample of the upcoming showings, and pulling the channels from there. Which seems like more work than necessary, since they should have a table somewhere that has the show to channel association already. Ah well.

    Got rid of my SD channels and worked it that way.
     
  16. innocentfreak

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    If you just set it up today, it may not be finished indexing. You would also need to force multiple calls to download the latest update and the rest of the guide data since the first call only downloads around 24 hours so you can get started immediately.
     
  17. rcr2

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    I had plenty of guide data and had force-downloaded a few times. User since TiVo1 here. If anything, the guide data is the other side of the coin issue - since for popular shows with a lot of upcoming shows (due to syndication) the channel ('main network channel' with only new shows) can't be found - there seems to be a limit on how many shows forward are used for OnePass channel choosing.
     
  18. JoeKustra

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    This thread started just before the new fall season. At that time some of the shows, including new episodes of those examples you mentioned, could not be selected. That eventually fixed itself, and the channel used in the guide for the program began to be the default and it worked again. With the Recording option set to "New" you should default to the channel you are on now. Since that has started working there are fewer posts, but a new box/user can run into this issue because of the 28-day rule. It sucks, true, but it doesn't last. It's speculated that it's a side affect of the 1P addition, now counting streaming episodes. With those also disabled, you may find the 1P starts working like the old SP.
     
  19. cherry ghost

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    That's a good observation and would explain why some shows have fewer channels to choose from than others.
     

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