OnePass and the loss of multiple SP for same show

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  1. Feb 9, 2015 #61 of 365
    murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    This is going to be a total cluster**** as soon as the baseball season starts.
     
  2. Feb 9, 2015 #62 of 365
    nooneuknow

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  3. Feb 9, 2015 #63 of 365
    RoyK

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    After four days testing TiVoMargret's workaround the results are:

    SVU zero recordings
    How it's made one recording

    This was over a period when many episodes of both programs have aired.
     
  4. Feb 9, 2015 #64 of 365
    aaronwt

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    What will happen then?

    I have several things setup for football that record the Redskins as well as Sunday night, Monday Night, and Thursday Night Football. But One Pass was implemented after programs from those wishlists and SPs were recorded. So I have no idea if the change to OnePass will have any effect.

    So far out of my 170+ Season passes I only noticed a couple of programs that were affected. But with the One Pass the recordings have still been the same as before the SPs were combined. But these were also very low priority recordings so I wouldn't notice any difference from before.
     
  5. Feb 9, 2015 #65 of 365
    jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    It would benefit the thread to note which of her workarounds you used.
     
  6. Feb 9, 2015 #66 of 365
    RoyK

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    This one http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10396434#post10396434

    My test setup is detailed a few posts down the thread here http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10399370#post10399370

    At one time she also suggested recording new plus repeats and setting the new recordings to KUID before they are deleted by recording repeats. It seems that she (correctly) has backed away from that suggestion.
     
  7. Feb 9, 2015 #67 of 365
    pattont

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    This is HUGE problem already when recording PGA Tour Golf. On the weekends the coverage always switches from the golf channel after a couple of hours to CBS. The OnePass is set to All channels and even though it sees the CBS broadcast as "new" it doesn't want to record it automatically because it's already titled something like "Farmers Insurance Open Third Round".

    When I emailed Tivo Support it was like they didn't understand the problem. Obviously, this isn't a problem for the masses, but anyone recording live sports like MLB, Golf, or Basketball is about to be really upset. Good luck recording all of March Madness!!!
     
  8. Feb 9, 2015 #68 of 365
    Dan203

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    Suggestions are a terrible way to work around this. They are completely random and you can't guarantee anything specific will be recorded or will stick around.

    Try the WL it should work better.
     
  9. Feb 9, 2015 #69 of 365
    RoyK

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    I'm aware of that. What's amazing to me is that Vice President, Design & Engineering, Chief Design Officer, TiVo Inc. apparently isn't.
     
  10. Feb 9, 2015 #70 of 365
    Arcady

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    When she suggested giving it three thumbs up, for a minute I thought that was some secret way to make it record all episodes. They could actually program that in as a backdoor and it might solve a bunch of issues, without making the new OnePass "too confusing" for the apparently dumb TiVo users. :eek:
     
  11. Feb 9, 2015 #71 of 365
    RoyK

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    Maybe it could mean keep at most 3 repeats, 10 thumbs up = 10 repeats, etc.:D
     
  12. Feb 9, 2015 #72 of 365
    murgatroyd

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    I posted a longer post in the TiVo Introduces OnePass thread.

    Short version: when my TiVoHD croaks, if I'm forced to buy a Roamio instead, I forsee a lot more work going through the To Do List and killing stuff I don't want. I'll lose all the flexibility I had with older TiVos by having multiple SPs because I could give different channels priority over others.
     
  13. Feb 10, 2015 #73 of 365
    slowbiscuit

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    They're the only way to go for many sports IMO, because you can filter them down to only get what you want to watch. Racing series are a perfect example, and I never have to babysit any of them because all my WLs only record the races, not practice, qualifying etc. and only the specific series that I want (not some of the subclasses that I don't care about).

    ARWLs work great for me, I've probably got 10-12 of them.
     
  14. Feb 10, 2015 #74 of 365
    slowbiscuit

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    Yep, not being able to have multiple 1Ps broke PGA Tour Golf recordings for sure - have to babysit them every weekend now for the ARWL I have. This is one case where specific channel ARWLs would fix the problem, assuming that the scheduler will record a new showing on every channel-specific ARWL you have (that's another issue relevant to this problem - both of the PGA Tour events each day say 'Third Round' or 'Final Round' so I'm not sure if the scheduler would record what it thinks is a dupe even if there were two ARWLs, one for each channel).
     
  15. Feb 10, 2015 #75 of 365
    WorldBandRadio

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    I'm just starting to see another undesirable consequence of the OnePass "one channel or all channels" logic...


    The show I want to record has reruns on four different channels, in addition to new shows being broadcast. I want to record only one specific rerun channel, as it shows the reruns in sequence.

    In order to record both the broadcast and the one channel of reruns, I have to set OnePass to record all channels, and then remove the shows from the ToDo list for the channels I do not want.


    What I am starting to notice (now that I've had OnePass for a while) is that the three rerun channels that I do not want to record are making it to the ToDo list, and I remove them. However, since the episodes were on the ToDo list, they will not be recorded on the one channel I want to record because they were on the ToDo list within the last 28 days.

    So now, in addition to removing from the ToDo list the episodes I do not want to record from the three other rerun channels, I have to manually go through the Upcoming list and make sure that the channel I do want to record is recording all the shows, and manually add the shows that were skipped because they were "Duplicates". Since the Upcoming list is sketchy, at best, this is not a fun process.

    I think I am beginning to get carpal tunnel in my remote-operating fingers due to all the manual effort I need to do now in order just to have some of what the TiVo used to do all by itself.


    TiVo is slowly convincing me that they really did not think this OnePass concept through. Either that or TiVo has very little regard for its customers.


    The TiVo used to be a smooth-functioning appliance. I told it what to do for me, and it did it. Reliably.

    Now, the TiVo seems to me to be more of a recalcitrant child, requiring a lot of hand-holding, direction and effort.


    The TiVo used to be a welcome addition to my entertainment system. Now it has become an annoyance almost every time I want to use it. Certainly not the way to create repeat customers.....
     
  16. Feb 10, 2015 #76 of 365
    csell

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    This is pretty much what the OP was all about. In my case, the reruns is Law & Order SVU. New episodes are on NBC and reruns are on several different channels, such as TNT and USA (and a few other). This is what I did:

    1) Created a OnePass for the New Shows only on a specific channel - NBC.

    2) Created a wish list where I specified a Title description where I put in the exact title. I specified New and Repeats (I think, i'm not in front of the tivo right now). I also specified keep 10. I then named the wish list "SVU Reruns".

    So now I have two folders - one for the new SVU episodes and another folder named "SVU Reruns" which always contain 10 reruns (and possibly the new episiode from NBC.

    What I don't like - since I wasn't able to specify a channel in the wishlist, it seems to always be recording episodes, epsecially at night since reruns are on many channels. Also, the new episodes on NBC also gets recorded which means it gets recorded twice.

    If they aren't willing to give us back multiple OnePass for different channels, then simply allows us to specify as specific channel in the Wishlist. That would be very helpful. Also, add "Reruns Only" along with "New Only" and "New and Reruns".
     
  17. Feb 10, 2015 #77 of 365
    WorldBandRadio

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    btw, I noticed last night that the "Everything" option was removed from the "New Only" and "New and Reruns" options. Although, if you go to History and look at the reason given for "Duplicate", you'll see that "Everything" is still mentioned as an option.
     
  18. Feb 10, 2015 #78 of 365
    Diana Collins

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    In other words, make ARWLs act like Season Passes. :)
     
  19. Feb 10, 2015 #79 of 365
    RoyK

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    How about making your ARWL for New Only and your SP for new and repeats on, say, TNT. I think that might be a better solution for what you are trying to do than the way you have it set. It might, however, result in the recording of a SD version of a new show instead of a HD if that is important unless the ARWL will preferentially record HD if both are available. I have no idea about that.


    Unfortunately there are many cases where multiple SPs have been so effectively used that don't lend themselves to this solution.

    BTW the score on TiVoMargret's solution is now SVU-0, How Its Made 1 after 5 days. (See up a few posts if you don't know what that is referring to.)
     
  20. Feb 10, 2015 #80 of 365
    WorldBandRadio

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    Then I'll miss the reruns of the broadcast shows when they are broadcast.

    Is there any way to create a wishlist entry for a show that is currently in the guide without having to type in all those keywords and such?

    I wasn't kidding about carpal tunnel from the remote....


    That is another thing that was nice about the SP, I just clicked on a show in the guide and clicked to create a SP. Quick and easy.
     

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