OnePass and the loss of multiple SP for same show

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  1. Arcady

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    The problem with letting the TiVo decide which episode is a rerun, is that sometimes there is no season/episode info with a show.
     
  2. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I completely agree with this point. The biggest problem with OnePass is the liklihood of prioritizing a rerun over a new showing. Run out of tuners and some random season 1 episode of the Big Bang Theory gets recorded while the new episode of the Walking Dead gets ignored.

    In my world a re-run should NEVER have priority over a first run show, but that isn't necessarily a realistic rule.

    i would never say this wouldn't happen because I have seen it myself, but I think the occourance is rare enough that you can develop a set of rules around the New indicator and be pretty confident that it will address your needs.

    It seems like ages ago, but I did submit a suggestion to tivo to address this issue specidfically. I am rather pessimistic that they will spend more then 10 minutes looking at it, but I do agree it is the biggest issue with the OnePass design.
     
  3. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    I'm getting really tired of hearing that I am too stupid to understand TiVo's strategy, and that the only users who are affected by this are the people who watch a mix of new episodes and repeats.

    We can see from this thread and others that there are many good reasons people were using more than one SP on different channels to record what the Guide Data says is the "the same show".

    When my S3 breaks, I can now look forward to 'replacing' it with a bloated box full of features I can't use, and reduced functionality for the core features I do use. Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed.

    This could easily be solved by having two product lines -- a TiVo Classic, with the look and feel of the S3, and a TiVo-stream-o-rama -- but of course that option is a non-starter. TiVo couldn't sell a Classic model which would never be updated again because people would be whinging that they didn't get the feature set that the other product line had.
     
  4. Arcady

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    You could switch to DirecTV and use their antiquated TiVo box, which is basically a Series 3 interface.
     
  5. Jed1

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    Just buy a Premiere (Series 4) model. I do believe that TiVo will still have the SD menu system on this platform which will be the old SP setup. The HD menu system will be updated to 1P.
    The Premieres will be the best of both worlds so it appears now that this platform will be the best bang for the buck if you have a need to use the old SP for recordings reruns.
     
  6. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Maybe I am wrong, I thought a release a while back eliminated the SD menus or was it just removed from the Roamio line?
     
  7. lpwcomp

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    You would be wrong. If that were the case, then you could use kmttg to create additional SP's for the same show on a Roamio running the new release, which you demonstrably cannot. The change is at a lower level and the interface makes no difference. You may not be able to access the 1P "features" if you are using the SD menus, but the limitations it imposes will still be there.
     
  8. lpwcomp

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    Wrong on both counts. It is still an option on Premieres and was never an option on Roamios.
     
  9. Jed1

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    Roamios never had the SD menus. The Premieres still have the option to use SD menus.
     
  10. Jed1

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    No. You buy a Premiere and use the SD menu to record all the repeats as you always did using SP. If you want to watch the repeats you can stream from the Premiere to your Roamio or watch directly using the Premiere.
    No need for kmttg you just need an additional CableCard for the Premiere unit.
     
  11. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Interesting option...
     
  12. lpwcomp

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    That's not what you said in the post I quoted. You said that you would be able to create an SP by using the SD menus which you manifestly would not be able to. It would still create a 1P.

    Simply using the Premiere as a second TiVo, there is no reason to use the SD menus. You can create a different 1P on it just as easily as creating an "SP".
     
  13. Jed1

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    He what I said in that post:
    Which is buy the Premiere, select SD menu in guided setup which will use the old SP, schedule the recordings as you always did.
    From my understanding only the HD menus will be updated to 1P on the Premieres and the SD menus will retain the old SP.
     
  14. Slime

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    Sorry, but buying/setting up a 2nd Tivo to get around a 'new feature' doesn't seem like a practical solution. The additional cost is one factor, having to transfer shows or switch inputs to watch re-runs is another.

    Removing a feature because hardly anyone uses it doesn't seem like good sense -- how many people use BCC in email clients, probably a lower % than folks that used two or more Season Passes - yet, no one's removed BCC yet...
     
  15. lpwcomp

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    And that is what I said was wrong. Even if it still looks like you are creating an old style Season Pass, you will actually be creating a One Pass, so what is the point of running the SD menus?
     
  16. Jed1

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    For those users that record reruns have no other option, especially if TiVo will not change 1P to accommodate these users, then this will be a valid option. You will have the best of both worlds.
    And you do not have to transfer shows you can stream from one TiVo to the other.
    I record all commercial channel shows I watch on one TiVo and record all premium channel shows on the other. If I want to watch a show I go into my shows, select the other TiVo and pick a show and hit play. I even schedule recordings and SP's on my upstairs TiVo from my living room TiVo.
     
  17. Jed1

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    How will you be creating a 1P on a Premiere using the SD menus that will always be using SP?

    Here is a simple way of looking at this. Lets say I have a Roamio running 1P and also have a Premiere running SP. The two are not merged together so if I set up some SP on the Premiere to record new shows with reruns or just reruns, that will not have any effect on the 1Ps set up on the Roamio. The two units will always run separately.
     
  18. Arcady

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    PLEASE STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION

    There is no option to use multiple Season Passes on a Premiere that has been updated to 20.4.6. It doesn't matter which interface you use. The option for more than one season pass for a single show is gone.
     
  19. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    You may be right, does anyone know that for sure? For that to be true, they would have had to make some UI changes in the SD menus and I it would surprise me if that were the case.

    It is also difficult to understand how they would handle the differences when swapping between UI if you are wrong.

    I suppose we will know once a Premiere gets it's update.
     
  20. Jed1

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    If I am not mistaken only the HD menu system on the Premiere will be 1P and the SD menus will stay SP.
    Somebody on this forum indicated that this was the reason why Premieres did not get the update yet. It will be known once the Premieres get the new update.
     

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