OnePass and the loss of multiple SP for same show

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by csell, Feb 4, 2015.

  1. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    No, actually I was a Pepsi guy back in the day. Now I can't drink either Pepsi or Coke - Diet Coke and Diet Dr. Pepper are what I mix Crown with today!

    You are correct that I tend to be less passionate about loss in general than most people. I enjoy looking at a bigger picture and how change works for me as opposed as getting frustrated over the loss of smaller things.

    I accept that for some people this creates more of an issue than it does for others... My voice in the conversation isn't to dimish that change for them - it is simply to provide some balance to the conversation.
     
  2. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

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    Received OnePass yesterday on my Roamio Pro and Minis, While I won't use it very much, I do find it quite unique, easy to use, and it will set TiVo apart from everything else. I can see the value of OnePass especially for the cord-shaver/cord-cutter that supplements w/ streaming and VOD for MSO partners. I have been setting up streaming only passes for original Netflix, Amazon and Hulu content only.

    I have 3 TiVo DVRs so I can use an older Premiere to set-up a second OnePass for any multiple SPs I used to have.

    For those that need multiple SP/1Ps, If TiVo does not respond with a serious solution. The best solution I see is getting a used Premiere w/ Lifetime off eBay, or a seller here at TCF for ~$300
     
  3. RoyK

    RoyK New Member

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    Trippling my investment in my roamio basic to retain the functionality I have today is an unacceptable solution. But a subscription to Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu Plus in order to do the same thing would cost about that much ANNUALLY.
     
  4. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    There's also the additional monthly CableCARD/outlet fee to consider.
     
  5. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    No I think you enjoy telling people to get over things that you don't use and don't care about. :D You enjoy telling people Tivo isn't going to change back when you have no clue what, if anything, Tivo may do to address this loss of functionality in the future. :D

    And I could understand if you're reading complaints about an old way of doing things that now have a different but good substitute or if it is just a matter of someone being used to doing things one way or another and they just don't want to burn some calories to change.

    But this is a bit deeper than that. It's about losing functionality that many used regularly and for which there is no good substitute now. The fact that you never used it, and fail to understand it, gives your voice little to no weight in this discussion contrary to what you might think.


    OH and "Get over it" and "Don't complain cause they won't change back?" is not providing any "balance."
     
  6. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I am not asking you to be excited about the loss, only to understand the strategy tivo is trying to implement.

    And yes, I am suggesting that tivo is not planning to substantively recreate or replace the lost functionality - so in my mind the conversation starts at that point and fact.
     
  7. RoyK

    RoyK New Member

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    :rolleyes:
     
  8. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    I am asking you to realize your voice carries little to no weight in this conversation. You have nothing to add here. You don't understand the functionality in question nor why anyone used it nor have you used it.

    This thread is really a voice for those that used this functionality and now don't have it and don't see any good substitute for it. IT's also to discuss the various workarounds and pitfalls of each of them.
     
  9. moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    How's that going to help? Series 4 units are going to get the same 1P update soon enough. You'd have to go back to Series 3 to recover full SP functionality.

    EDIT: I guess you mean spreading out SPs over multiple units is how it would help. Quite a price to pay for that and makes it a lot more inconvenient looking for recordings across multiple units.
     
  10. RoyK

    RoyK New Member

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    He is accomplishing exactly what he intends - - focusing the attention on him instead of the forum topic. Best way to deal with people who do this is ignore them which I intend to do. Again.
     
  11. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    It would add another TiVo so that you would at least be able to have 2 1Ps for a series.
     
  12. CoxInPHX

    CoxInPHX COX Communications

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    Yes, this is what I meant,
    Now if TiVo would offer anyone calling in with this issue a $99 lifetime on a used or NIB Premiere that might go a long way to appease some.
     
  13. zaphodbeeblebrox

    zaphodbeeblebrox Eloquent as always

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    +1 (x3)

    +1 (multiplied by infinity and beyond)
     
  14. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    TiVo is moving toward a system where you have a single TiVo unit as a central hub and Minis spread around the house at secondary TVs. I seriously doubt they're going to add any features that only work if you have multiple TiVos. Plus we've discussed the whole "cooperative scheduling" thing in the past and there are some serious technical issues with a system like that.

    I still think TiVo ran the numbers on this before they released 1P and decided that those of you who use multiple SPs were acceptable losses. If they didn't and they're just now realizing this is an issue then I'm still not sure there is much they can do short of a full reversal to the original SP. Most of the 1P enhancements offered up thread are either too limited to too complicated to really work. The new 1P dialog is already way more complicated then anything I've ever seen from TiVo, I just can't see them trying to cram more options in there unless this issue really affects their subscriber numbers or their MSO partners complain.
     
  15. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

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    That is true. But it really makes me question the whole OnePass system they implemented which forces every single user on all the Minis and main Roamio to share the same watched state. It could be solved by profiles or at least treating each Mini as a separate profile.
     
  16. RoamioJeff

    RoamioJeff Unregistered User

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    Yup, that's how the free market works. Business generally must necessarily focus on what the majority of the customers care about. Stuff that a certain minority of customers care about does not necessarily make the cut.
     
  17. Slime

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    I'm pretty upset by this forced loss of ability. I used multiple SPs to record new and rerun episodes. I work from home & enjoyed leaving the re-runs playing in the background at zero cost (well, apart from electricity).

    I'd setup a season pass to record a new episode on a specific channel, and then another season pass to record new & reruns on a different specific channel (for some reason the CW here doesnt display properly in HD) at a lower priority.

    There is no way to do this anymore. Watching re-runs on Hulu is a non-starter (my cable company is pretty tough on data caps), and paying for Hulu just to watch ads (I already pay for cable) is also not going to happen.

    If I setup a 1P to include re-runs then those re-runs will overwrite the new episode pretty quickly, something I'm not prepared to accept. Also, recording re-runs at a high priority will cause the tuners to be swamped and loss of other show recordings.

    I've been a long time Tivo supporter and had been happy to recommend it to my friends - but this update has me rethinking my plans.
     
  18. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I think TiVo needs to add an option that somehow favors new episodes over reruns for both priority and the KAM setting. Perhaps even a global option called "Always prioritize new episodes over repeats" or something like that. It would always cause the oldest rerun to be deleted for a KAM conflict, rather then the oldest episode and it would cause the scheduling logic to favor a new episode over a rerun even if the 1P requesting the rerun is higher on the list.
     
  19. epstewart

    epstewart Member

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    It could be called "Delete oldest rerun first" ....
     
  20. RoyK

    RoyK New Member

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    TiVo needs only to get over the hangup on the OnePass name, get wildly enthusiastic about "MULTIPass, your pathway to all kinds of wonderful things of many varieties and flavors!!!" and restore the multiple SP functionality.
     

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