OnePass and the loss of multiple SP for same show

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by csell, Feb 4, 2015.

  1. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    Cross posting is considered to be a bad thing. You posted the exact same thing to four different threads.
     
  2. lpwcomp

    lpwcomp Well-Known Member

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    This supports my theory of why they did this and why we are not likely to see a "fix".
     
  3. csell

    csell Member

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    My other favorite FAQ:

    How do I turn off OnePass?

    You can choose not to use the OnePass functionality by not creating one at all.


    Well, that was helpful.
     
  4. h2oskierc

    h2oskierc I'm a 2-Tuner

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    TiVo should just make the old school Season Pass an option through a back door, perhaps via the web? That way the Marketing folks can be happy, the average user gets the "easier" 1P option, and the power users still have a way to get what they want.

    Then we could all be happy? Maybe?
     
  5. RoyK

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    I wouldn't go so far as to say hatred but as to the negativity - she is the Chief Design Officer and as such I assume bears ultimate responsibility for the design decisions that we are protesting here so I'd say the negativity is perfectly understandable.
     
  6. RoyK

    RoyK New Member

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    Well there's still the three thumbs up method.
     
  7. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

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    Somebody at TiVo needs to be reading this valuable (if sometimes too passionate) feedback. Margret is probably the highest placed person to do so. I'm sure she can take the moderate amount of heat expressed here. I just hope our comments can lead to improvements in the product.
     
  8. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    I think there are improvement that can be made to the product... But I do not think they are going to give you what you are asking for.

    I am sure this thread was watched for a while, but do you think they are still following it?

    Like any uncomfortable change - time is usually the best solution.
     
  9. RoyK

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    I disagree. How to regain the functionality of multiple SPs is a FAQ on the TiVo web site. This shows quite clearly that the problem is NOT one that only affects a few "power user's". TiVo has offered NO workable replacement for setting the box up to record in the manner that multiple SPs makes was designed to do and did so well.

    The "use streaming" response on the Web site ONLY works if you shell out more money AND you have the Internet capacity available (mine will work usually streaming one show but often there are a couple being watched and other online activity taking place) and if your show is available from your source or indeed any source. Most are NOT.
     
  10. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    The use of streaming in this case is a marketing document, not some smoking gun. "Workable work around" is a subjective point of view and one that TiVo on the surface deems acceptable.

    They aren't going to rollback the design they have - most probably they will wait out this uncomfortable period until the noise quiets down.

    That is the downside of a thread(s) like this, the group convinces itself of its own piety and assumes the world agrees with them.

    I will leave you alone for a while - single point of view is a happier point of view.
     
  11. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

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    If TiVo has drunk too much of the Kool-Aid (committed irrevocably to revised program code), then they may not fix anything, at least not in any direct, satisfying way. But unless they're fools, someone is still reading this, probably including Margret. And time won't cure our losses, but we will learn to live with them until TiVo polishes the new code to full functionality (assuming that they can). And I'm another user for whom streaming is not an option.
     
  12. L David Matheny

    L David Matheny Active Member

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    These threads aren't about piety. Some of us are attempting to impose rationality on our world. It's a tough job, but somebody has to try.
     
  13. mattack

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    I mentioned it in other threads, but this inability to have multiple SPs for a show is a huge LOSS in functionality.. I have several cases where I have multiple SPs for the same show, one example being so that I can record some shows on various PBS stations, but ONLY the SD stations.. (to save space on my Tivo AND so I can download them to watch in VLC on my iPad [faster than realtime, which the Tivo app doesn't allow] easily.)

    Some of the other things, like the power saving, and the ability to combine streaming & recorded info for the same show, DO seem like benefits to me...

    But it IS a big loss to not be able to have multiple SPs for the same show..
     
  14. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    You were saying that when Coke introduced New Coke weren't you? :D
     
  15. bradleys

    bradleys It'll be fine....

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    Coke lost sales because of that change - significant sales.

    Do you think this change will loose sales for tivo or give them a huge marketing oportunity?

    I am not trying to be cold about this. I get it is an inconvenient loss and I appreciate a little anger. But there are two sides of this and the product is pretty cool.

    I think the majority of users will feel the same way.
     
  16. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    Retail sales are already declining. What really matters is the cable companies and their users. I would think TiVo had data about how many current users this would affect. So it's probably a very small percentage. Otherwise you wouldn't think it would have been implemented if it affected a very large percentage of TiVo users.
     
  17. RoyK

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    And yet how to replace multiple SPs is high among the FAQ on TiVo's OnePass Web page. Hardly likely if only a very small percentage of users are affected.
     
  18. Grakthis

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    Actually, Coke was losing the war to Pepsi (Coke was only winning in volume because Pepsi was in fewer markets) when they made that change. Many marketing classes teach that it was the turning point in that war because it created strong attachment to ORIGINAL coke, even from people who were loosely attached before. New Coke provided an "enemy" for people to hate, making Coke Classic the hero, and leaving Pepsi out in the cold.

    Just, for historical accuracy.
     
  19. Grakthis

    Grakthis New Member

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    Sure it is, if the small number of users are very vocal.
     
  20. trip1eX

    trip1eX imo, afaik, feels like to me, *exceptions, ~aprox

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    Sales Figures?!?!? Who needs Sales Figures!?!??! You don't. You were there, Day 1, proclaiming to everyone to just accept New Coke because there is no going back just like you were here day 1.
     

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