OnePass and the loss of multiple SP for same show

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by csell, Feb 4, 2015.

  1. RoyK

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    I admit to overshooting all the time. Anytime I'm in the discovery bar it's most definitely not intentional.
     
  2. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    They can't allow multiple passes any more because the pass is now associated with the folder in My Shows and the series in general. They made a design decision to only allow one pass per show, and implemented it as such throughout the UI. Unless they revert those UI changes then multiple passes wont make sense regardless of what they're called.
     
  3. lpwcomp

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    I doubt they'll do anything but I think it far more likely that they enable multiple passes for a group than they are to try and have multiple priorities etc. for a single pass,
     
  4. WorldBandRadio

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    You speak of the "gamble" that TiVo made. I agree that the decision to go with OnePass was a gamble, i.e., based more upon luck than fact.

    I suspect that TiVo had incorrect data going in to the "gamble" that lead them to the incorrect conclusion.

    Why do you think that corporations always make correct decisions?

    There have been many examples of corporations making tactical decisions that have been the strategic death of the company.

    Is this decision of TiVo's in that category? I hope not, because TiVo has, in the past, shown the true qualities of innovation in their market space, not so much recently though.

    With much respect for you here, I do not subscribe to the opinion that the decision is correct just because TiVo made that decision.

    I truly think that TiVo has made a tactical decision with strategic consequences that it have not yet realized. Indeed, I have to wonder, based upon what I've seen, whether or not TiVo is capable of realizing that strategic detriment.

    It is a common mode of failure for a company.

    A company realizes that they are failing in their market so, instead of innovating and leap frogging, they jump upon the cash cow of tactical short term features instead of leap-frogging the competition.

    Other threads here have noted the deletion of multiple season passes has left TiVo with more of a "we're the same as the competition" feature set.




    Strategically, do you think it is success-oriented for a company to remove competitive advantages in their products? That's the question that TiVo needs to answer.

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  5. WorldBandRadio

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    I would proffer that those changes of "one pass per show" were implemented in the data structures, not the UI.

    The UI is merely a presentation for the user of the underlying data structures and algorithms.

    There's reason why computer science folk attend classes along the lines of ~data structures and algorithms~. They are the basis of all programs.
     
  6. epstewart

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    I wonder if a good solution might not be to re-institute Season Passes that would function as before?

    Meanwhile, keep OnePass. The user could set up one or more SPs for a show, and also, optionally, a 1P. Only the 1P would integrate streaming sources. The SP(s) would not do so.

    There would be separate folders for SP and 1P recordings. The 1P folder would contain the actual recordings, in case of duplicative recording triggers. The SP folder(s) would simply contain "shortcuts" or "aliases" to the actual recordings.

    If the actual recording were deleted, it's aliases/shortcuts would also be automatically removed.

    Maybe this is a way to have our cake and eat it too ...
     
  7. jcthorne

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  8. jcthorne

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    All they need to do is add channel filter criteria to wishlists along with the other selection criteria. Then any recordings that a wishlist makes that also fit in a OnePass folder should also be presented there.
     
  9. epstewart

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    That is also a good idea!
     
  10. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Wishlists that are channel-specific. Am I the only person here who thinks this is absurd?

    Seriously guys. You're all saying, "Let's make a special kind of wishlist that records a show, that's restricted to a single channel."

    Isn't that kind of like -- a SEASON PASS?

    It's also ridiculous that so many of you have seized on the use case of the people who want to record repeats of shows, and dismissed what they want to do as not important.

    First of all, it's sucky to say to someone, "I don't need to do what you want to do, so I don't care."

    Second, it's sucky to completely ignore the needs of people who want SPs to have more control when they record sports.

    Third, it's especially sucky to lecture us about how TiVo must have run the numbers and "no one" needs the functionality we are using, yada yada yada -- as if we aren't aware how corporate decision-making works when it is done by bean-counting.
     
  11. realityboy

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    Well, when you put it that way, I guess channel specific wishlists do seem a bit silly. I saw in another thread that someone was even suggesting that they use seriesid. So pretty much, we're just trying to recreate season passes.
     
  12. zaphodbeeblebrox

    zaphodbeeblebrox Eloquent as always

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    +1 (and then some) :up: :up: :up:
     
  13. epstewart

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    Yes, exactly. I have been among those hoping to press for a channel-specific Wishlist, for the very reason that it might replace the now-defunct Season Pass.

    If so, it might be a way for TiVo to give people what they want ... without TiVo having to admit to having erred in implementing OnePass.

    I still think a channel-specific Wishlist might not be a bad idea, but I now realize it's not a panacea. In another thread I've finally managed to learn the "obvious": that Season Passes were (and the OnePass is) based on a unique "seriesid," while Wishlists are based on keywords such as words found in a series title. You can't set up a Wishlist for "Lost," for example, and be totally sure it will only record the series called "Lost" — even if the Wishlist were channel-specific.

    So I think the hope for a Wishlist that would act as a "stealth" Season Pass is, sadly, a vain one.

    That means that there needs to be some "give" on the part of the folks at TiVo, so that the lost Season Pass functionality might be expressly restored.
     
  14. jcthorne

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    No, in the new UI scheme with OnePasses it makes perfect sense. Season Passes are GONE. Deal with it. Having Season Passes and OnePasses is confusing and tivo will not go that route. They left wishlists intentionally and they mesh well with OnePass. Just need one additional search criteria to enable them to replicate a function lost when OnePass came.

    We are not going back folks.
     
  15. jcthorne

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    In your specific example, you would need to add an actor, such as the main character or other specific criteria to filter down. When the wishlist DOES record episodes of Lost that match the seriesID of the OnePass, they are added to that folder as well.
     
  16. RoyK

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    In other words multiple SPs are too confusing but setting up a series to record according to one criteria the way you always have and a second instance of doing the exact same thing a completely different way isn't?

    TiVo flat out broke a key functionality that many of us use to record what we want the way we want which, after all, is what we purchased our DVRs for. What TiVo broke, TiVo can fix. It ain't rocket science and users aren't stupid.'
     
  17. murgatroyd

    murgatroyd Don't stop believin'

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    Exactly. The classic Season Pass is a useful thing. If that were not the case, then everyone wouldn't be arguing about how we might be able to replicate a SP with an ARWL.

    It's pretty crappy that TiVo broke something that didn't need to be fixed, all for the sake of people who were too lazy to look for copies of the same show in more than one folder.

    And in the case of some things, like the PBS shows that are shown under an umbrella name like "Masterpiece Classic" or "Masterpiece Mystery", the shows will STILL be in two separate folders anyway, even with a One Pass.
     
  18. Grakthis

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    This is an asinine thing to say. Stop and think before you make posts like this, and you'd save me the hassle of calling it asinine and yourself the embarrassment.
     
  19. zaphodbeeblebrox

    zaphodbeeblebrox Eloquent as always

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    Post removed by author, to appease others.
     
  20. csell

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    This is my favorite one:

    How do I create a OnePass for new episodes and a OnePass for reruns?

    You cannot create more than a single OnePass for a show. In order to create a similar experience, you can do the following: Modify your Onepass to a “recordings and streaming” and “new episodes only”. This allows you to watch new season recordings and old seasons in streaming.

    So their solution is for us to watch reruns on streaming? So for us to get our old functionality back, we need to pay for a streaming service. For some reason, they think everyone has Hulu or Netflix. Guess what, we don't all have that. I know I don't.
     

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