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  1. Wattsline

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    Wow, what a total load of crap! MediaMatters is a George Soros publication and therefor totally biased. It is known for its aggressive criticism of conservative journalists and media outlets, including its "War on Fox News." Take your blind bias elsewhere! This forum is for Tivo discussions.

    http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/foxnews.asp
     
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  2. chiguy50

    chiguy50 U.S. Army (ret.)

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    Thank you for inadvertently proving my point regarding disinformation.:p

    The survey I cited was conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University, not MediaMatters, which was simply reporting on it.

    And you might want to look up the difference between "therefor" and "therefore" in a dictionary. (Not to mention the difference between "blind bias" and informed analysis.:rolleyes:)

    I did not start this topic, but just added my perspective based on a 20-year intelligence career. But if you feel that continuing the discussion is inappropriate, then I suggest that you refrain from doing so. ;)
     
  3. Wattsline

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    Thanks for proving my point and being a typical lib. Attack everything EXCEPT the fact that snopes said it was FALSE!
     
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  4. chiguy50

    chiguy50 U.S. Army (ret.)

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    I won't bother to continue to repeat my explanations. I'll just reiterate that my professional background--including a tour of duty in psychological operations and over 10 years on assignment as a collector and reporter of intelligence information--affords me insight into what I would qualify as a quintessential disinformation campaign being waged by the corporate ownership of Fox News. It is irrelevant to my point whether the bias in question is right-wing, left-wing, or any-other-wing; there is a clear intent to dupe the viewer with sustained disinformation.

    You have the right to your own viewpoint even if fueled by delusion.

    BTW, calling me "a typical lib" is an ad hominem and not germane to the discussion.
     
  5. dlfl

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    Unfortunately your last sentence is also an example of an attempt at "manipulating the viewers according to a preconceived political agenda."

    Why didn't you just directly link to the Fairleigh Dickenson study instead of to liberal drum-beater Media Matters? Another blatant issue is that you and some of these studies are inferring causation based on correlation, one of the primary pitfalls in statistical analysis. In other words people may watch Fox or MSNBC because it **reflects** their already biased desires for information rather than **causes** it. One person's current event can be another person's irrelevant information. We have all these "informed" leaders who guide our policies in Libya and Egypt, etc. Many people choose to let them handle it and concern themselves more with having a well paying job. I suspect the value of knowledge of what pointy heads call "current events" is subject to question.

    I'm not denying the correlation, just questioning the importance of it. Fox and MSNBC don't force themselves on anyone.
     
  6. chiguy50

    chiguy50 U.S. Army (ret.)

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    No, that is hardly the case. I am not espousing a political viewpoint but am rather providing my critical analysis of a self-described "fair and balanced" news source. I think my professional background gives me insight that the average viewer may not possess. However, I don't claim that my judgment is flawless, and you are free to disagree with my conclusions.

    I tried to do just that, but I could not find a web page that contained the text. I did locate pages with links to a .pdf document but thought it more expedient to provide a link that provided a synopsis of the study.

    TL;DR: I was too lazy to comb the internet for a more direct source.:)


    I can't speak for the authors of that study, but I don't believe that the issue you raise--although valid--is pertinent to the finding that the Fox News viewers were unusually misinformed. Moreover, there are plenty of other studies, scientific and otherwise, that have arrived at the same conclusion.

    Moreover, my statements are not focussed on audience statistics but rather on an observation of the organizational tactics employed by Fox News. As someone with training and long experience in intelligence work, including psychological warfare and (most critically here) source evaluation, I am able to recognize propaganda techniques and their associated objectives. For anyone in this field, I think what Fox News has been doing is very transparent.

    No argument here. Those are all fair statements (although I might point out that, in a democracy, an uninformed electorate winds up with the government it deserves).

    I would hope that the take-away from this discussion is that you should feel free to watch whatever news/entertainment you please, but pay attention to whether you are being manipulated unfairly.
     
  7. dlfl

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    That's a good **general** statement. I was trying to point out that it depends on the definition of being "informed". Not everyone agrees that knowing where Aleppo (sp?) is, and its role in current events, is critical to being informed enough to preserve our country through intelligent voting.
    Fox definitely spins in a pro-military, anti-big-government manner. But with your terminogy such as "being manipulated unfairly" it sounds like you are implying something more sinister -- of which I am far from convinced. We encounter people and other entities applying spin all the time -- even from our friends. It's human nature. Not sinister.

    Your initial post on this topic appeared to be backing up someone who had taken a cheap slap at Fox based, I suspect, on their liberal bias. That seemed one-sided so I responded.
     
  8. chiguy50

    chiguy50 U.S. Army (ret.)

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    I don't want to prolong the discussion, which is OT in this thread anyway, any further so will make this my last post on the subject. I will allow you or anyone else to have the last word if you so desire.

    I strongly disagree with your characterization of Fox's crassly partisan ideological agenda as "pro-military, anti-big-government" spin, which simply does not hold up to analysis. (For the record, I am a retired career U.S. Army soldier.) What I object to--and have tried to explicate here--is not that they are partisan but that they try to disguise their blandishments under the rubric of "fair and balanced" news reportage.

    And I do not intend to imply anything--far more, I am stating emphatically my judgment that there are devious, manipulative motives at play. You are right to be skeptical of my analysis; after all, you have no verification of my bona fides other than my own words. But I would wish that everyone would apply that same skepticism to the programming they consume, and perhaps you and others can use the insights I have shared here as one data point in reaching your own conclusions.

    I believe that post was intended as sly, tongue-in-cheek humor, and that's how I took it. But the underlying implication was, IMHO, well founded and that's why I took up its (nuanced) defense.

    BTW, I enjoy your posts on the TCF and wish you well.:)
     
  9. dlfl

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    I apologize for the off-topic discussion, but would point out I did not start it.
    I don't perceive (and you haven't described) the "devious, manipulative motives" of Fox, or at least how they differ significantly from what I said (spinning in a pro-military, anti-big-government way). I've frequently wondered what their motivation is, other than the obvious one of appealing to the largest number of viewers, who like their spin.
    It may have been "sly, tongue-in-cheek humor" but it also was what I said it was (a cheap slap at Fox based, I suspect, on liberal bias). We tend to be more appreciative of sly, cheap humor when we agree with the implicit bias, don't we? :p
     
  10. mpinegar

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    Seems like msnbc may be making your TiVo dumber. 😎
     
  11. dlfl

    dlfl Cranky old novice

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    Now, remember folks, that's just sly tongue-in-cheek humor!
     
  12. JoeKustra

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    Don't worry. I watch MSNBC, so my skin is thick. ;)
     
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  14. lessd

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    If a hard Newscaster wants to give his/her viewpoint on hard news that they just reported they can by saying so before hand. Walter Cronkite, one of the best hard news reporters of his time, once did give his option after a report on the Vietnam war, it the only time I remember Walter Cronkite giving such an option. (he was against the war and said we should get out, and we at some point did get out)
     
  15. rablake

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    Does TIVO have a forum for folks who need to yak about politics? Maybe most of this could move there.:confused:
     
  16. JoeKustra

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    You're comparing a Journalist to what we have today. One thing I can agree with one of the candidates on is the pervasive bias now in news reporting.
     
  18. elborak

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    Sorry to interrupt such a productive political discussion :rolleyes:...

    This problem doesn't appear to be getting any better. Seth Meyers has been flagged all week on my system as "New" despite showing reruns from last month.
     
  19. fm900

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    having same issue with couple shows nightly on fox! recording 3 times a night!
     
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  20. JoeKustra

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    You would think a network show was global, but my guide has NBC late night repeats all week.

    Next week NBC and CBS are new and scheduled to record, but not showing a new icon (yet). This is not that abnormal actually. Even on screenertv NBC doesn't have NBC new after Wednesday.
     

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