One Pass Issue for Baseball Games on Multiple Channels

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  1. billfark

    billfark New Member

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    I set my wishlist search as discussed in this thread, but it's only pulling showings from one channel (720) and isn't including the game showing on NBC (703) Wednesday night. It's also pulling the re-broadcast of tomorrow's NBC game at 12:30AM Thursday since that's being identified as a "new" episode on 720. I guess this method isn't perfect.

    -Kevin
     
  2. b-ball-fanatic

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    If there are re-runs errantly designated as "New," that's a Guide issue.....not really anything that your TiVo can do to compensate for incorrect data. If that happens a lot, you can Report a Lineup Issue and hope they get it fixed.

    How is that Wednesday night game listed in the Guide? (Is it really NBC? I didn't think NBC ever airs regular-season games....:confused:) Usually, when a local game is aired nationally (on say, ESPN, FOX, or MLB Network...), it's blacked out in the teams' local markets in deference to the regional affiliates' coverage. Thus the title is "Regional Coverage" rather than a specific game. Is that how the Wed. game listed? I suspect that either (1) the Wed. game is airing on a different channel in your market, or (2) you have added exclusion keywords that are too limiting.
     
  3. jamesteixeira

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    I have a wish list set up to record all games with my team. It works perfectly with MLB Extra Innings. But my team (which is not the local team) was playing the local team and was on the local Fox Sports Southwest channel. The game was blacked out on MLB Extra Innings.

    But the wishlist did not pick up that game to record even though all the wishlist criteria was met and I could see the Fox Sports Southwest game in the "Upcoming" section of the wishlist.

    Why didn't it see that game and choose it to be recorded?
     
  4. b-ball-fanatic

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    It's impossible to pinpoint the specific cause without knowing all the WishList parameters and seeing the program's complete Guide listing.

    You might, for example, have a particular keyword (inclusive or exclusive) that causes that listing to be bypassed. Obviously, you believe all your WishList criteria to be met for this show, but just as obviously, your TiVo disagrees. ;) Without seeing all the information, nobody else can know what little detail is causing the glitch.

    If you'd like to post all the details (screenshots would be ideal), I'd be happy to help you try and figure it out.
     
  5. minimeh

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    I have seen missed broadcasts when the WishList search is marked with "Get only in HD: Yes". Specifically for me, the NBC affiliate in the SF Bay Area (703) and Giants games are a problem. I have also seen the issue on the Pac-12 Network (823) for Cal and Stanford football games.

    Even though the channel is broadcasting in HD and the specific broadcast is HD, it appears that a marker that Tivo looks for to designate HD is not set. So, if you select "Get only in HD", the WishList may skip matching broadcasts.

    Oddly, this is true even if you have "automatically record" turned off (where you wouldn't think recording options would be considered at all). I use WishList searches with "automatic record" turned off for seeing what games are coming up and then manually set games of interest to record.

    To control "Get only in HD", navigate to:
    1. Tivo Central
    2. Find TV, Movies & Videos
    3. WishList Searches
    4. My WishLists
    Select the WishList search and then:
    1. WishList Info
    2. Modify recording options
    3. Get Only in HD: No
     
  6. jamesteixeira

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    In my case, if I go to the wishlist settings, click the "Upcoming Episodes" button and can see the shows that did not record, doesn't this mean the wishlist settings are not prohibiting the wishlist from seeing the broadcast?

    And if the wishlist is set up to record automatically, it should have recorded the non MLB Extra Inning broadcasts unless it thought it already had a recording of that same broadcast being recorded.

    This could be it because it was set up to record from MLB Extra Innings but of course it didn't know that broadcast was being blacked out.

    Does anybody have MLB.com? Are blacked out games available the next day for viewing?
     
  7. billfark

    billfark New Member

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    Yes, some games air on our local NBC affiliate, which is on channel 703. The game on Wednesday this week and the one next Saturday are showing on 703.

    I figured it out this morning and I see that Minimeh also figured it out. For some reason, the Giants games on 703 do not show the "HD" tag in the Tivo guide, even though other programming on that channel does show the "HD" tag. This is my my wishlist wasn't pulling those games, since I had chosen the "HD only" recording option.

    There aren't any upcoming Giants games coming up as the Fox Saturday game, so I can't verify if my wishlist will pull those or not but I'll keep an eye on it.

    As for Minimeh's suggestion to turn off the HD requirement in the wishlist options, I'll try it out. I'm worried that it will now pull ALL airings, and that I will have to manually cancel the non-HD ones. If so, I may just keep the wishlist the way it is and make sure to manually record the games that are on 703. Not ideal, but what else can I do?

    Can a missing HD tag on an HD channel be reported to Tivo, or is this even something that they control?

    Thanks!
    Kevin
     
  8. minimeh

    minimeh Vanity Phrase Here

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    I have deslected all of the SD channels and that solves the problem of recording in SD. Otherwise, yes, you're right back in the fire from the frying pan. The Tivo has an uncanny knack of choosing the least-desired recording option when given the chance! :)

    [EDIT]

    I did previously verify when there was an upcoming game airing on KNTV that with HD-only on, "Upcoming" did not list the game, but with HD-only off, "Upcoming" did list the game. And no SD channels either way.

    [EDIT 2]

    The Braves vs. Giants game on April 30 is a KNTV broadcast. Try testing against that. It does show up in my ToDo list as a WishList scheduled recording.
     
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  9. billfark

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    I turned off the requirement to record in HD, and it did not show that the non-HD games will be recorded. It seems to still give priority to the HD recordings, and to avoid duplicates, which is good. Unfortunately, it's still not showing the upcoming game on 703 as a wishlist recording. That may have something to do with me previously setting that up as a manual recording and then canceling it before changing the wishlist options. For now, I'll keep it the way it is and see if it pulls future games on 703 or 702. Stay tuned.

    Thanks!
    Kevin
     
  10. minimeh

    minimeh Vanity Phrase Here

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    As for manually setting up a recording messing up the the WishList record, I have seen that as well. The best test is use the "Upcoming" function of the WishList after any changes to it. You'll see that the KNTV broadcast just doesn't get listed with HD-only on. Change that to HD-only off, check the upcoming broadcasts, and it will be listed. You don't have to wait for the ToDo list to update or be concerned about previous manual manipulations.
     
  11. billfark

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    It looks like there were some guide issues recently, since the Saturday game on 703 dropped off the guide for a day and reappeared on Friday night, which matches the broadcast schedule listed on the Giants' website. My manual recording for Saturday on 703 was deleted automatically because of the change in the guide.

    I ended up just deleting the wishlist and starting over. The game on 703 is still missing the HD tag, so I had to set up the wishlist to not just record HD only. Once I did this, it pulled all games on 720 and the one on 703, which was a first. It also seems to give priority to HD broadcasts, since no non-HD games were pulled.

    I'll keep an eye on it and see how it works when the 6/12 game on 703 and the 6/13 game on FOX (702) show up in the upcoming wishlist matches. For now it appears that all is well. I just wanted give an update.

    Thanks,
    Kevin
     
  12. dalesd

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    Pardon me for bumping this old thread, but it was the best match for the problem I've been trying to solve.

    I've been doing this approach for recording NHL Hockey (Bruins) and NFL Football (Patriots), but I run into problems when the games are on the "NHL Network" and "NFL Network" respectively, because the guide data says the game will be there, but it's not. It's blacked out and replaced by other programming, usually some other game. The game is actually on the local station. (NESN for Bruins, and one of the major networks for football. I guess it could be ESPN too.)

    There is guide data that says the game will be on both channels, but my six tuner TiVo Roamio seems to want to record the NHL/NFL network instead the lower numbered NESN or broadcast networks.

    I can't come up with a way to solve this, other than to manually check the upcoming recordings every so often and make sure it's working, which I invariably forget to do and wind up missing the first period/quarter.
    Well, I guess I could remove the NFL Network and NHL Network channels from the "Channels I receive" list, but that seems kind of drastic. Would the games ever really be on one of those networks?
     
  13. dbattaglia001

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    I personally use auto recording wishlists and select record "Everything". Yes, this will pick up repeats, but recording too much is better IMO than missing the game altogether. Given 6 tuners and 3 TB, I don't mind personally having the extra recordings. I try to periodically clean up the to do list and delete the repeats / blacked out game recordings before they record, but even if that slips, I will still get the game I want.

    When I've posted this suggestion before, I was ridiculed by several people on this forum as this being ridiculous and not helpful, so take my suggestion for what it's worth. I believe it's a practical workaround that works for me so that I don't get stuck with blacked out programming as opposed to the game I wanted to watch.
     
  14. minimeh

    minimeh Vanity Phrase Here

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    Recording everything works to some extent but does cause a lot of maintenance. Even with 6 tuners, what with padding needed for live sports, it is still possible to drop a game due to lack of a tuner.

    In my experience, removing from your received channels list the national networks that are blacked out for local networks is the only automated solution. Keep in mind that you can still tune into those removed channels, OnePass's on those channels continue to function, and you can even still see the channels in the guide if you select "all channels" instead of "my channels".
     

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