Oh Crap - Rovi buys TiVo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JoeKustra, Mar 24, 2016.

  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000


    Cable companies have used their position to squeeze TiVo out of the market. CableCARDs and TAs, lack of VOD, excessive use of the "copy once" byte, etc... They've done everything they're allowed to do to make TiVo as unattractive as possible. Comcast is sort of the exception, except they've only recently started to show TiVo some favor in an attempt to stave off additional regulation by pretending to cooperate with a 3rd party device. They still have their fair share of issues even with their relatively tight integration with TiVo.
  2. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    That certainly isn't true. Every single show and episode ever created in the Tribune database would have to be converted to the associated Rovi data point. Plus, TiVo's OnePass system that matches Tribune data with streaming services would have to be completely updated as well.
  3. morac

    morac Cat God TCF Club

    Mar 14, 2003

    Which means Rovi gets 70% controlling interest. In other words, what Rovi says goes.

    I'm not sure what the point of the acquisition would be. TiVo's patents are only good for 2.75 more years after which TiVo's patent assets become worthless and all that remains is TiVo's user base, which isn't that big.

    The only reason I can think of to do this is to get a back door into cable companies since TiVo is the provider for a number of them.
  4. Jed1

    Jed1 Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2013
    Frackville, PA.
    Price. Most of the average Americans can not afford to purchase one. Also the biggest reason is most Americans do not know that TiVo even exists. It has nothing to do with CableCards or tuning adaptors as most average Americans do not know what those devices are either.
    With cable/sat, the provider comes in and does the install for free and they also get some type of teaser rate for signing up. Once that expires they move onto the next provider and they get another free install and a teaser rate for signing up. It is then just wash, rinse, and repeat over and over again.
    If there is a problem they just call and what ever the problem it is repaired at no expense to the user. No fuss no muss.
  5. rainwater

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004


    Sure. But TiVo will have some say it what happens. Obviously Rovi has final say.

    TiVo has plenty of patents beyond their holy grail patents. They have been amassing them for quite some time now. However, none of them have been shown to be profitable in a court of law yet. So it is hard to say if they are worth anything or not..
  6. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    That's a scary point of view if you extend it. Rovi doesn't sell hardware, so we all move to Best Buy (like Sony). Rovi doesn't do such a good job with an end user experience (like Comcast). The guide could evaporate, like TVGOS. Things don't look good.

    Or nothing happens. It's a three day weekend for stocks. That's good timing.
  7. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    It looks fine here. The listings look the same as what shows up on my TiVo. At least from doing a quick check.

    It shows listings for FiOS in my area and for Comcast in my area. And it shows listings for OTA in my area.
  8. wizwor

    wizwor Guest

    Dec 17, 2013
    It's the best, but not 'by far'.

    It's the best, but not 'by far'.

    They charged too much. When I was looking at DVRs in 2008ish, a TiVo with Lifetime was $700. For $1k, I bought FIVE DTVPals. When I looked again two years agi, a TiVo with Lifetime was $700. For $500, I bought three DVR+ DVRs. The math is worse if you go month to month. They had a niche who would pay that premium and everyone else got something else.

    God no! They have about a million subscribers. How many TiVos do you pay a monthly fee for? TiVo is probably in a half million homes -- about 1/2 of 1% of all US homes with televisions.
  9. wizwor

    wizwor Guest

    Dec 17, 2013
    That's capitalism. To be fair, TiVo has used the courts (their position) to make a lot of money and stifle competition.
  10. Jed1

    Jed1 Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2013
    Frackville, PA.
    Mine shows all available options too but the lineup is severely out of date. Once Rovi dumped TVGOS a lot of lineups were not updated. I suspect the lineups for the systems in the big cities are probably correct but the lineups for the smaller systems in the less populated areas have been ignored.
  11. dadrepus

    dadrepus Active Member

    Jan 4, 2012
    The only other thing you could do is become a Pirate, matie . This will just push some honest people to torrent the shows they want, in frustration.
  12. ncted

    ncted A leaf on the wind

    May 13, 2007
    Durham, NC
    If the cases are filed before the expiration, the cases could continue indefinitely until resolved as any damages would have occurred prior to expiration. Rovi might be willing to extort...er, go after many more "infringers" than Tivo did. Seems like Tivo just went after the big fish.
  13. SomeRandomIdiot

    SomeRandomIdiot New Member

    Jan 7, 2016


    Actually, that's why TV shows and society do NOT use TiVo as a verb any longer. That ended late last decade.

    Other DVRs got to be just as good - and surpassed TiVo in the DVR category.

    Re-read what I posted above.
  14. SomeRandomIdiot

    SomeRandomIdiot New Member

    Jan 7, 2016
    No, TiVo stockholders will hold about 30% of Rovi

    We now know the reason the TiVo Acting CEO was not appointed CEO - and no new CFO was named.

    Raising the "special" price by $100 4-5 weeks ago.

    Cleaning out about 10% of staff.

    All to make the numbers look even better for a sale.
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2016
  15. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time

    Nov 9, 2002
    :eek: Too late. :)
  16. gbshuler@yahoo.c

    gbshuler@yahoo.c Clave Man

    Feb 25, 2008
    Please name a DVR with superior user experience -- category is the wonderful world of live 100+ HD channels.

    (The POS DVR from Charter I am returning tomorrow for cable cards for a Romio Pro and BOLT from Amazon Prime actually had a menu button labelled "HD Shows" -- pressing this would show you all the cool shows in HD coming up. The box was 8-10 years out of date.)
  17. lessd

    lessd Well-Known Member

    Jan 23, 2005
    If Rovi wanted to gut TiVo why would they pay a big price for the buyout, Rovi may start to use TiVos guide service if better than their own as the volume would big by adding TiVo and Rovi guide service together, the real problem is if Rovi could do something about people with Lifetime (All-in) service, one thing that Rovi could do to reduce the number of Lifetime units is stop people from replacing their hard drives, the call home tells the service what type of hard drive you are using, if it is changed you may have to pay Rovi something for extending you product lifetime. Most hard drives will fail within 7 years, and the contract with TiVo has no provision that allows one to replace the hard drive.
  18. atmuscarella

    atmuscarella Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2005
    Rochester NY
    We don't actually "know" that we just have a tiny bit of info. And as humans always do we take that tiny bit of info and make more sh** up so that the we have a whole "story" that makes sense in our own minds and then of course we present this "story" that is mostly made up sh** as reality to the world. This whole thread is a great example of this.
  19. gbshuler@yahoo.c

    gbshuler@yahoo.c Clave Man

    Feb 25, 2008
    Forgot about the killer TiVo monthly fee. You are right. Ten years ago they used to say Apple buyers were like BMW buyers. Market segment was about the same, and quality and feature awareness as well -- justifying a premium price. TiVo is pretty much the same. Comparable to Mercedes (also about 2% U.S. Market Share) except for the whole market cap thingy..
  20. foghorn2

    foghorn2 Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2004
    Las Vegas
    Yeah the talk about world going dark permanently due to this potential merger is overblown..

    Its the Tivo employees that should be the worriers.

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