Oh Crap - Rovi buys TiVo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JoeKustra, Mar 24, 2016.

  1. Mar 24, 2016 #81 of 752

    shelbel Member

    Mar 11, 2004


    Same here. My home wifi is less than perfect (and this even after a combination of routers/repeaters/ethernet to maximize signal coverage), I don't want to be dependent on streaming anything, when my cable signal comes through the TiVo just fine and the whole setup just works. I'm having flashbacks to when NBC/Uni bought out televisionwithoutpity.com, destroyed it, then promised to leave the site up as an archive, then quietly broke it completely.
  2. Mar 24, 2016 #82 of 752

    waynomo My One Time

    Nov 9, 2002
    I'm very dependent on archiving shows from my TiVo to my PC. If the worst comes to fruition (which personally I don't think it will for years) what other options are there?
  3. Mar 24, 2016 #83 of 752

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    Streaming isn't my first choice either. I just think I might prefer it to my cable company's 10 year old DVRs.

    In fact if this does come to pass I might consider just switching to DirecTV and UVerse. In my area Uverse has faster internet anyway (45Mbps vs 30Mbps) and I hear mostly good things about the Genie.
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  4. Mar 24, 2016 #84 of 752

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    Not much. Silicone Dust is working on a PC DVR and uses standard TS file format, so that might be an option but it's beta right now. Not sure what Ceton is working on, but I assume with the death of MCE they're doing something as well. Beyond that you're looking at some sort of reatime capture like Hauppauge.
  5. Mar 24, 2016 #85 of 752

    ajwees41 Well-Known Member

    May 7, 2006


    has anyone even tried posting on twitter or facebook about the takeover yet?
  6. Mar 24, 2016 #86 of 752

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

    Apr 17, 2000
    I can't imagine the people that post there are authorized to comment on this.
  7. Mar 24, 2016 #87 of 752

    wizwor Guest

    Dec 17, 2013
    I think you guys are losing your minds prematurely. Frankly, I do not thing this information is more troubling than ATSC 3 or the shuffling of the spectrum -- for OTA'ers, anyway. This is just another unwelcome wrinkle in the unsettled world of television which began with the arrival of digital television and has endured encryption and the loss of Clear QAM.

    I don't expect TiVo to go away for a very long time. Some people are simply cashing out. I think TiVo is very mature. Rovi will trim development and focus on support with diminishing returns on service.

    I would not be switching from annual to monthly at this point and people shopping for a TiVo should not pass on a lifetime bundle at the right price.

    The Bolt seems like a device with broad appeal and a long shelf life. Now that it is finished and launched, stop development and let the product fade into the sunset -- however many years that fade may last.

    I do expect Rovi to implement their guide -- they are already good to go on the transition. That will further reduce operating costs.
  8. Mar 24, 2016 #88 of 752

    jkovach TiVoing since 1999!

    Feb 17, 2000
    Gilbert, AZ USA
    Well, looks like this is the year I switch to DirecTV and their Genie DVR platform. Have had multiple Tivos used on Cox for the past 17years, with very little trouble and huge satisfaction. I totally agree that this sounds like a deal where they are throwing in the towel on the original vision for Tivo and simply trying to monetize the assets. The Bolt was the final attempt to produce something that would sell in high volume, and failed to achieve that goal. The CEO basically retired and the only people left see $ signs instead of the desire to keep trying to grow the business. They are cashing in their chips.
  9. Mar 24, 2016 #89 of 752

    series5orpremier Well-Known Member

    Jul 5, 2013
    They would use ridiculous accounting assumptions that heavily favor them. Don't use our $5 Visa Gift Cards all in one place.

    As long as they're sending some data regardless of how bad it is I'd just retrench to OTA only and try to ride the wave til it dies. How badly could they mess up 14 channels of data, only half of which are important to me?
  10. Mar 24, 2016 #90 of 752

    RUBiK New Member

    Jan 9, 2002
    At the risk of going too much OT, it's not all rosy with DTV/Genie either. I've just ordered a Roamio Pro and 2 Minis that I'll set up this weekend to replace my DTV service, saving me about $100/mo in the process. I've had DTV for almost 20 years but the hardware/BS-ey fees add up really quick, to the point where it got ridiculous lately, so FIOS+Tivo just made too much sense.

    As for the Genie, unless you get a newer model, the older ones (i.e. mine) have basically started to lag something fierce, making for a very frustrating experience with even basic things like switching channels taking a few seconds, etc. From reading through DTV forums everywhere, it's been an issue for a long time with no resolution... other than playing truck roll refurb-roulette and hoping for a new model Genie replacement.
  11. Mar 24, 2016 #91 of 752

    tenthplanet Well-Known Member

    Mar 5, 2004
    Activist investor over at Rovi is pushing for this merger, activist investors have a record as job killers. But let him, I don't think Rovi has much place in a Microsoft, Google, and Apple world. Tech giants have the resources to call the shots. When my last Tivo dies, Rovi will be history.
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  12. Mar 24, 2016 #92 of 752

    Johncv Well-Known Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Chula Vista, CA
    Yes, but beware that the picture quietly is not good as a Playstation or Fire TV, this came from a Cnet review. If all want to do is use Vue than buy a used PS3.
  13. Mar 24, 2016 #93 of 752

    miadlor Member

    Sep 4, 2003
    Rhode Island
    I tested VUE on my PS3, picture was great.
  14. Mar 24, 2016 #94 of 752

    gbshuler@yahoo.c Clave Man

    Feb 25, 2008

    I think we all agree TiVo has BY FAR the best hardware (DVR, Remote, interactivity)

    I think we all agree TiVo has BY FAR the best user interface.

    TiVo pretty much invented both. That's how "TiVo" became a verb.

    Now imagine you are in the Rovi offices looking at a PowerPoint presentation. Trying to decide whether to keep TiVo around or not. There's a pie chart showing market share of all players in the market. One slice, so small you don't even see it, is TiVo (NY Times said in today's article that TiVo holds a 2% share of the market). Would you want to pour money into a tiny slice of the pie (chart)? How did they go from 100% of the pie, to 2%?

    I just don't understand it. Why isn't there a TiVo box in at least half the homes in America? TiVo should be the "Google" of set top boxes for petes sake.
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  15. Mar 24, 2016 #95 of 752

    Johncv Well-Known Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Chula Vista, CA
    Cabecards + Turning adapter = Bulls**t.
  16. Mar 24, 2016 #96 of 752

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    Google has used Sage and their developers to build the Google Fiber interface so I wouldn't say they killed it.
  17. Mar 24, 2016 #97 of 752

    rainwater Active Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    The difference is TiVo seems to be getting a 30% controlling interest if the deal goes through.
  18. Mar 24, 2016 #98 of 752
    Rob Helmerichs

    Rob Helmerichs I am Groot! TCF Club

    Oct 17, 2000
    I've always thought that TiVo ought to be a service, not a box.

    Unfortunately, their attempts to achieve this have never had much success. I'm not sure whether TiVo, the cable companies, or both are to blame for that...
  19. Mar 24, 2016 #99 of 752

    Jed1 Well-Known Member

    Jun 18, 2013
    Frackville, PA.
    If Rovi starts using their lineups instead of Tribunes then here is how bad things will be.
    Click on change and put in your zip code and select your provider. These are the listing for retail users and not the listings used by your cable provider.

    As I said earlier my listings are from October of 2012 and this is the same listing I get if I fire up WMC. Rovi dumped most of the employees who used to work for Gemstar who took care of the TVGOS system.
    Rovi bought Gemstar just to get the TVGuide data base and the TVGuide Ui's used in cable boxes. They dumped the TVGuide magazine, TVGuide website, and the TVGuide channel.
    In this case the retail hardware will go as they are not in that type of business. Everybody has to remember that we all agreed to arbitration a few years ago so I believe Rovi will take advantage of that.

    As for the MSO hardware I believe they will handle that differently as Rovi already does business with most of the MSOs.
  20. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

    Oct 3, 2000
    Hulu is a pretty good replacement for the OTA channels.
    ABC, Fox, NBC and CW have pretty much all their shows on Hulu. I stream in full HD quality and DD 5.1 with no issues. Hard wired Roku 3. I've found watching more of my shows just on Hulu vs. what I have recorded on the Tivo which is a bit strange.
    CBS is the big hole as they have their own service.

    Cable networks on Hulu will be hit or miss and a lot more restrictions, usually requiring a cable authentication login to view. Right now you're looking at Sling TV or Playstation Vue for actual cable channels, live as well. More competitors coming very soon.

    For us the only issue with streaming only is that Hulu will only go back 3-5 episodes while I could DVR a lot more then that on the Tivo and watch whenever. At least right now Hulu has that limitation if you don't keep up with it. Same thing for PVue with their cloud DVR which goes back 28 days so about 4 episodes.

    On the issue in general, I have calmed down a bit on it, knowing how slow these things actually are in terms of buyouts and mergers and I'd say worst case a Bolt will still be going strong 3-4 years from now. 5+ yrs all bets are off though.

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