Oh Crap - Rovi buys TiVo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JoeKustra, Mar 24, 2016.

  1. Mar 24, 2016 #61 of 752
    tatergator1

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    Huh? I don't see any Tivo employees posting in this thread. If you're talking about Dan203, he's a forum moderator and this forum has no affiliation with Tivo Inc.
     
  2. Mar 24, 2016 #62 of 752
    mdavej

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    It's not just a matter of pointing to a different source. It's a matter of getting all the database fields mapped properly, something the geniuses at Microsoft worked on for months and still couldn't get right with WMC. Even after they eventually got it partially right, the Rovi data itself was woefully incomplete and very inaccurate. Just check out any of the thousands of posts at thegreenbutton. Rovi has been a nightmare. It's the reason I have Tivo today instead of WMC.

    In any case, the guide will be the least of our problems. Rovi will destroy Tivo like they destroyed WMC.
     
  3. Mar 24, 2016 #63 of 752
    lpwcomp

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    Not as easy as you intimate. TMS assigns the series and program IDs.
     
  4. Mar 24, 2016 #64 of 752
    gbshuler@yahoo.c

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    Look for a post by "bradleys" about 3 hours ago. Well written post. With 3,500 posts on this board they probably don't work for TiVo. Pretty good work in any case.


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  5. Mar 24, 2016 #65 of 752
    Space

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    Yeah, with WMC, Microsoft did a half-assed job of mapping the Rovi IDs to the TMSids. Some "season passes" continued to work, but many did not and had to be recreated. I'm not sure that any of the individual episode IDs were mapped at all.
     
  6. Mar 24, 2016 #66 of 752
    schatham

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    Those who stated this is the beginning of the end are correct. They will gut Tivo and sell the good stuff (Patents, customer list etc) eliminating a competitor in the process.

    If your Tivo works and you were thinking of buying a new one, I would not. I would not pay anything but monthly at this point. I am on yearly ending in May and just switched to monthly.
     
  7. Mar 24, 2016 #67 of 752
    dadrepus

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    Well, others may be happy with streaming replacing DVR content but not my wife and I. We DVR almost everything we watch so we don't have to watch those damn commercials + we get done in 2/3 the time. It is my understanding that no streaming service allows you to record a show. So, even if you have the entire season at your disposal, you are stuck watching the commercials. Am I wrong?
     
  8. Mar 24, 2016 #68 of 752
    randian

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    Watching the commercials, awful as that is, would be tolerable if you could time shift, which you generally can't do with streaming services. That's the reason I dropped Sling TV: you can only watch live.
     
  9. Mar 24, 2016 #69 of 752
    Dan203

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    Hulu has a commercial free option now. ($12/mo) Amazon and Netflix are both commercial free. The CBS service has forced commercials though and no commercial free option. (someone posted up thread that the CBS channel for Plex is commercial free though)
     
  10. Mar 24, 2016 #70 of 752
    ncted

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    Playstation Vue does. It is a cloud DVR.
     
  11. Mar 24, 2016 #71 of 752
    Dan203

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    SlingTV is the exception, not the rule. Playstation Vue has a "DVR" that allows you to store shows for up to 28 days. Hulu retains the last 3-5 episodes of first run shows. And Netflix and Amazon have entire seasons.
     
  12. Mar 24, 2016 #72 of 752
    randian

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    I signed up for the service before I realized that this streaming "service" requires a substantial hardware investment. I don't want to spend hundreds buying a playstation box just to stream when I have a perfectly good TiVo and an iMac.
     
  13. Mar 24, 2016 #73 of 752
    Dan203

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    You can get PS Vue on an Amazon Fire TV. They're less then $50
     
  14. Mar 24, 2016 #74 of 752
    randian

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    It was somewhat iffy as to whether Hulu had reruns of shows when I trialed it, and many channels aren't available for streaming at all on the major services. I couldn't see any way to reasonably replicate my cable tv sub with streaming, and streaming certainly wasn't cheaper. Plus streaming counted against my download cap (darn you Comcast!).
     
  15. Mar 24, 2016 #75 of 752
    ncted

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    I wasn't commenting on the economic feasibility of that particular product, just that it had the functionality. FWIW: It only saves recordings for a max of 28 days IIRC.

    For me, if Tivo service starts to suck, the only question for me is whether to go with DirecTV (and get unlimited data from AT&T wireless) or Dish and get an awesome STB in the Hopper3.

    I haven't seen another OTA DVR which compared to my Roamio, and the OTA reception is likely to degrade in the coming years anyway.
     
  16. Mar 24, 2016 #76 of 752
    Space

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    I like the flexibility of recording a show/series and watching it at my leisure, months or even years afterwards. No streaming service can offer that.

    I'll admit that I record way more TV than I can probably ever watch, but I also have hundreds of options, including full seasons of dozens of shows. Netflix has this flexibility to some extent, but it is limited in what series it has and there is no guarantee that any particular series won't vanish from the service.
     
  17. Mar 24, 2016 #77 of 752
    unknownpa

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    I doubt they would just get rid of the hardware business because look at all the cable providers that currently have TiVos rolled out to hundreds of thousands of subscribers.

    My local cable provider, which happens to be the 11th largest in the US, recently rolled out TiVos in my area.
     
  18. Mar 24, 2016 #78 of 752
    aaronwt

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    Cable providers have TiVos rolled out to millions customers. Hundreds of thousands is the retail market.
     
  19. Mar 24, 2016 #79 of 752
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    I hate thinking that I spent over $1000 4 months ago that could be money down the toilet. They haven't kept their promise for Bolt OOH streaming so far. I suspect they could now break many other things I've paid in advance for!!!
     
  20. Mar 24, 2016 #80 of 752
    Dan203

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    Hopefully this doesn't happen, but it's possible. I hope they continue to develop the software at least until the deal is done and Rovi takes over.
     

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