Oh Crap - Rovi buys TiVo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JoeKustra, Mar 24, 2016.

  1. randian

    randian Active Member

    Jan 15, 2014


    I don't know why anyone would mention SlingTV in this conversation. They're live-only, useless for a heavy dvr user.

    I'm thinking this sale was last moment because TiVo couldn't reup with Tribune for guide data. Sell now or have your business collapse without guide data.
  2. bwhitney

    bwhitney Member

    Apr 12, 2009
    Here is the link where Tivo announced it was eliminating it's Hardware development staff from 2 years ago: http://www.wired.com/2014/01/tivo-lays-hardware-design-team-gets-ready-exit-hardware/ From their most recent SEC 10-K filing at:

    http://investor.tivo.com/mobile.vie...ERVNDPVNFQ1RJT05fUEFHRSZleHA9JnN1YnNpZD01Nw== states:

    <Begin Quote>
    Research and Development Expenses

    We decreased research and development spend by 4% in the fiscal year ended January, 31, 2015 as the number of our regular, temporary, and part-time employees engaged in research and development between January 31, 2014 and January 31, 2015 fell. In the fiscal year ending January 31, 2016, we currently expect our research and development expense to decrease from fiscal year 2015 levels as we benefit from a full year of efficiencies gained in the fiscal year ended January 31, 2015 and continue to focus on incremental research and development spend efficiencies, such as opening an offshore development center in Romania.

    Manufacturing and Supply Chain

    We outsource the manufacturing of our products to third-party manufacturers. This outsourcing extends from prototyping to volume manufacturing and includes activities such as material procurement, final assembly, test, quality control, and shipment to distribution centers. Today the majority of our products are assembled in Mexico,

    <End Quote>

    As you can read, Tivo, at best, has transitioned over the last few years to a software/patent company that outsources most everything, including customer support (as noted in another section of the 10-K filing), so this should be no surprise at this point. As an EE that has worked in the business, the typical evolution will be change nothing for a few months, except in this case start development of transitioning to Rovi schedule data and then start letting the retail customer base die, and I am unsure of their next step as it depends if Tivo wants to be a patent troll with the TV scheduling business. I doubt very strongly Tivo will continue the retail DVR business over time.

    Last edited: Apr 30, 2016
  3. schatham

    schatham Well-Known Member

    Mar 17, 2007
    Not true. Many of the channels operate like a dvr or like Hulu.

    Streaming may be the future, but it still does not function as well as live tv or tv with a dvr. Fast forward a streaming channel then stop it to hit play; it's like putting the brakes on a car on the ice. Fast forward to far and get buffering. Fast forward to many times and watch it freeze. Try jumping back and forth between a couple of shows. Etc,etc.
  4. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

    Jan 31, 2002
    I've tried Sling TV and it was certainly no replacement for a TiVo.
  5. Johncv

    Johncv Well-Known Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Chula Vista, CA


    Which now means, now that TiVo has money to back them TiVo will now try to convince (bribe) AT&T, Dish, Cox, Comcast, etc. to now use TiVo.
  6. Space

    Space Active Member

    Jan 13, 2002
    tvguide.com and roviguide.com use Rovi data, but you will only be able to compare basic info, the extra metadata that DVRs need (such as unique series/episode identifiers, and OADs) are not visible on these sites.

    It usually does get most things correct, but it often does not, that is what is so frustrating. You need to keep an eye on it daily or else you may miss stuff.

    For instance up until last Thursday my WMC machine (uses Rovi data) was set to record the 5/1 episode of "Mike Tyson Mysteries" (11:45pm ET on Cartoon Network). But for some reason Thursday's update to the guide changed that to an episode of "Bar Rescue" (which normally only airs on SPIKE TV and is a 60 minute show, whereas this is only a 15 minute slot).

    When mistakes like this happen (which I think could be easily found with a simple automated verification system), they are almost never caught and corrected by Rovi and you will just miss that recording.

    I don't remember seeing mistakes this blatantly obvious with Gracenote data.
  7. keenanSR

    keenanSR Well-Known Member

    Oct 12, 2004
    Santa Rosa CA
    If I remember correctly, Rovi bought TVGuide but spun off the name and kept the guide data division. I believe that CBS did buy the TVGuide name, or brand, and I think they made a TV channel using the name but none of it has anything to do with the guide service anymore, that part is Rovi.
  8. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    Gracenote data does not win any gold stars either. Since a TiVo only checks for data every 26 hours or so, any special event will disrupt things. Those errors are understandable.

    Last Friday, TiVo missed some metadata for Blue Bloods. A 1P set for "new" failed. It was bad for over a week and reported to TiVo with plenty of time to fix.

    CNN's series "The Eighties" got bumped for coverage of the Prince death. But the metadata for subsequent episodes were never corrected.

    I'll stop now. You get the idea.
  9. gonzotek

    gonzotek tivo_xml developer

    Sep 24, 2004
    Given the timing, are we sure it was GraceNote data, and not perhaps a trial of the Rovi data? :p :D
  10. wco81

    wco81 Active Member

    Dec 28, 2001
    San Jose, CA
    It's some wishful thinking.

    Canada is transmitting 4K content, like Toronto Raptors and Mapleleafs games.

    Some European broadcasters are doing some sporting events in 4K.

    Direct TV broadcasted the Masters in 4K.

    And every year, millions more 4K sets are sold.

    If the big networks adopt ATSC 3.0 and start broadcasting major sports, cable companies are going to have to find a way to deliver it.
  11. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    I'll laugh if you promise to not use a capital N. Gracenote, on their website, is either all lower case or all upper case or just a capital G. TiVo, on the other hand, seems to like mixing things up. Their latest registered trademark seems to have only a lower case I: TiVO. Or that's how the TCF displays it.

    As conspiracy theories go, yours is pretty good. But I'm not buying it. I blame TiVo (autocorrected), not Gracenote. :D
  12. JoeKustra

    JoeKustra in the other Alabama TCF Club

    Dec 7, 2012
    Ashland, PA...
    If it wasn't for sports TV would still be black and white. I remember the first color TV sets were so expensive they were first used in bars.
  13. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    You old.
  14. keenanSR

    keenanSR Well-Known Member

    Oct 12, 2004
    Santa Rosa CA
    DirecTV is also doing about 20 MLB games in 4K this season, last night they did the Yankees/Red Sox game.
  15. gor88

    gor88 Proud Cord Cutter

    Jan 3, 2008
    Definitely check your OTA channels. I just saw 1 missing channel in the Jackson, MS market, 2 more channels that have been off air for over a year and a PBS station not even close to the Jackson market (Oxford, MS - Ole Miss)

    Will email Rovi with the correct information...here's hoping!
  16. markjrenna

    markjrenna Active Member

    Mar 23, 2006
    New Jersey
    It isn't Gracenote. It's the STUPIDITY of tivo checking every 22 to 26 hours. The updated data is there on the server. It's just tivo doesn't check for it and possibly recordings are missed. A glaring mistake by tivo management to say this is acceptable. It's not.

  17. May 1, 2016 #577 of 752

    slowbiscuit FUBAR

    Sep 19, 2006
    In the ATL
    Heh, given the proven flakiness of Tivo's servers that interval is probably all they can handle.
  18. May 1, 2016 #578 of 752

    HobokenSkier Well-Known Member

    Oct 14, 2015
    NY, NY
    Historically a good thing as it tied up your phone line while this happened.

    Nowadays some are still bandwidth constrained and data capped. E.g. Someone using ota and Hughes.

    Of course these days you would design this as an iterative data stream and send sequential update packages rather than recreate and roll.

    Equally that could then be a push service not a Dial in / pull from the TiVo. .
  19. May 1, 2016 #579 of 752

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    Columbia, MD
    It appears that the TiVo downloads the entire database each time. Maybe an incremental would be better with a full once a week. Standard backup capability.
  20. May 1, 2016 #580 of 752

    HerronScott Well-Known Member

    Jan 1, 2002
    Staunton, VA
    I'm pretty sure they don't download the entire database each time. Why do you think that?


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