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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JoeKustra, Mar 24, 2016.
Well you don't buy a company to kill it out its main technology, do you?
I hope they will honor my lifetime service contract.
Absolutely . The new TiVo CEO was likely elected on a promise to improve the bottom line. Selling TiVo's Crown Jewels (patents) will put a lot of $$$ in the old market cap of Rovi. My new BOLT and Roamio Pro are on their way from Amazon. Yippee! Just read on Variety that TiVo stock is up 20% this morning. That's great for CEO Naveen Chopra!
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They're in "advanced talks" which means unless something unexpected and extraordinary happens it's a done deal.
You're right in that changes may not appear immediately. Or they may. It didn't take AT&T long to change the DirecTV logo and start offering cell phone/DirecTV bundles.
TiVo has had a grid style guide since the S2. You just have to change the option to show it.
Not usually on purpose. But that's exactly what Google did to Sage. And some end up killing it by ignorance and incompetence or to eliminate competition with it's own main product. Rovi is most certainly incompetent when it comes to their own main technology.
As far as Rovi responding to customer feedback, where's the data for genres in WMC or correct thumbnails, now 9 months later? No progress whatsoever.
We've delt with Rovi a little. They bought MainConcept, a supplier we use for codecs, and then sold it again like a year later. In the scheme of things I know we're small potatoes to them, but under Rovi they basically ignored us. Before the merger they were pleasant to work with. I hope the same doesn't happen with TiVo.
Yes, this would be my guess, Rovi is buying TiVo for its IP, it's patent library. I can't believe they'd be interested in TiVo's hardware products, it's more profitable to just license that patent technology to others and let them build the devices rather than build, market and customer service them yourself. We could presently have in our homes the very last or next to the last of the TiVo-branded DVRs.
Aren't some of TiVo's main patents due to expire in 2-3 years?
Rovi just wants the UI so they can make money by leasing it to MSOs just like they do with Gemstar software, I Guide, PassPort Echo, and Total Guide that is used with Comcast's X1.
They will ditch the hardware as they are not in that business.
Basically this is the end of the line for TiVo DVRs if this goes through. They will support the retail units for a while and then start phasing it out. They did this with retail devices that was using Gemstar's TVGOS, TV Guide On Screen.
I used to know people that worked in the listings department for Gemstar but they basically all got axed when the TVGOS shutdown happened. Rovi sold the rights to the TV Guide website to Paramount who in turn sold it to CBS Corp. Getting any guide updates for retail is now impossible. My lineup is still the same from 2012 when I submitted the last lineup change for TVGOS. It has not been updated since then.
ITwas done for one reason and one reason only.
TiVo and Rovi together become that most hated thing in the Electronics/Hi-tech arena:
Apparently, the two CEO together saw only one way to make money fo their holdings. Sue people over the use of their patents.
Sad day in TiVo Land.
This is my guess as well. If this goes through(which I suspect it will), Tivo(at least the retail business) is done. As mentioned, support will last for a while, but dwindle.
This is NOT the company you want to buy Tivo, if you had any hope of a continuing retail business.
The critical patents expire in less than 2 years. So I doubt that's what they had in mind. Besides, Tivo has sued just about everyone already.
Naveen Chopra probably was elected CEO by the TiVo board this year solely to liquidate the company. His tombstone: He ran TiVo into the ground and got a fat bonus.
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Among the parts of TiVo that I can see Rovi holding onto are Digitalsmiths (and whatever other data/analytics efforts that TiVo has) plus the TiVo IP/patent library. I could see Rovi continuing to partner with MSOs to use the suite of Rovi + TiVo offerings to power the set-tops they offer their customers, although all actual hardware design and construction would be handled by various third parties. Rovi+TiVo would only offer software, data, analytics, etc. Meanwhile, they will continue to milk those aging patents for all they're worth.
As for retail, TiVo has already signaled that they're backing away from, if not abandoning, that business line. An acquisition by Rovi could well be the death knell for direct-to-consumer TiVo-branded hardware. I'm trying to think of some way that Rovi could make money by licensing the TiVo brand and software to third-party hardware makers -- maybe someone like Silicon Dust would pay to brand their tuner hardware with the TiVo name and offer TiVo-branded apps for Apple TV, Fire TV, Roku, Xbox, etc. as the front-end UI? It seems to me that, if the TiVo brand has any value in the public consciousness, it's purely as "the original DVR" company.
I hope this isn't the first death throe.
Ugh, just bought a Roamio Pro and 2 Minis the other day (being delivered today) and was super excited to go back to Tivo (last used Tivo receivers were the S2 DTV units back in the day)...
You're all making the merger/acquisition sound so bad, it's making me nervous. Hah!
Guess we have no choice but to wait and see but hopefully, if it does go through, it won't be as doom and gloom as the majority of you are fearing? /shrug
Rubik, we have no idea what the future will hold in a merged organization. A change like this tends to make people consider the worst possible outcomes and scenarios - that is fine, but frankly, we do not know what the impact of this merger will be.
Really, the worst possible outcome for you will be the TiVo's you have purchsed will be supported through the lifetime of the product with the functionality it has today.
Service fees and lifetime owners are not only an asset on the balance sheet, but also a liability. Your box will be supported... We just do not know if a Bolt Pro or any other hardware refresh is in the future state strategy for this newly merged company.
Yup, understood, thanks.
Makes sense; no need to panic, will sit tight and see what actually goes down (if anything) this time around and where it goes from there.
Make sure you have your towel.