Oh Crap - Rovi buys TiVo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JoeKustra, Mar 24, 2016.

  1. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Well-Known Member

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    Well, that depends on just how quickly Rovi wants TiVo to exit the retail market. I'm sure at a minimum they would want to try to sell off whatever stock of retail DVRs they have lying around before they start shutting down features like Skipmode that are labor intensive and expensive to maintain. I'm not sure exactly how long a strategic exit from retail will take them to accomplish after the merger, but I think that process would be more likely to take months not years.
     
  2. dadrepus

    dadrepus Active Member

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    But is it a show currently on your tv or can you record "in advance of the showing" buy using a guide? Not familiar with Sony's offering.
     
  3. foghorn2

    foghorn2 Well-Known Member

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    Tivo will still be Tivo if a merger happens. Tivo must fullfill it obligations to paid service monthly, yearly or Lifetime nonetheless.

    If Rovi wants to come in as a bully and do otherwise, they've got another thing coming!
     
  4. randian

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    TiVo's obligation to monthly or yearly subscribers lasts at most to the end of their subscription. I doubt they have any obligation to let you renew. They'd probably give Lifetime subscribers a year and then shut them down too.
     
  5. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I haven't used it myself, but it's my understanding that it's a full feature DVR just cloud based.
     
  6. tarheelblue32

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    I don't think they would just come in and shut it all down. After all, Rovi is in the business of supplying guide data and charging for it. I think at a minimum they would still be willing to continue supplying their own guide data to the retail and MSO TiVo units already out there. But other aspects of the TiVo service that cost them more to support (such as SkipMode) will be done away with.
     
  7. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I actually agree. If they decide to kill off the retail market I think SkipMode would be the first thing to go. It requires human intervention so getting rid of it is as simple as laying off those employees.
     
  8. morac

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    Has it been confirmed that SkipMode requires human interaction by TiVo employees. I've seen some really odd things with SkipMode that would make sense if it was being done by a computer, but not so much if it was being done by people.
     
  9. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yes...

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10651450#post10651450

    It's also been confirmed by job postings on TiVo's website.

    Edit: Also we've been designing a new ad scan feature for VideoReDo over the last couple weeks. I can tell you from experience that there is no way to completely automate the system and make it 100% accurate. I've seen recordings where the content fades directly into the commercials, or vice versa, with no black frames or lull in the audio. Even if you use every technology available, audio, video, captions, bug detection, etc... It's still not consistent enough to be 100% accurate.
     
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    Sage is also available Open Source now.
     
  11. TonyD79

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    Is skip mode not being deployed to mso systems? Why wouldn't it be?
     
  12. tarheelblue32

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    I'm pretty sure it has not been, probably for legal and corporate relationship reasons. MSOs are in a direct contractual relationship with the channel/content owners who absolutely hate something like SkipMode. If any MSO tried to implement SkipMode on their MSO-owned TiVos, the content owners would probably throw a fit.
     
  13. TonyD79

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    But precedent is set. Deploy it and maybe delay it. Dish already went over this ground.
     
  14. jth tv

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    Anyone know which DVR's use Rovi guide data ? It looks like ChannelMaster DVR+ does, maybe there are others.
     
  15. JoeKustra

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    That could be hard to figure out. Some variations of the Rovi supplied guide do appear in many boxes. Do you mean retail only, or cable company supplied? Current products, or some that are no longer sold? If you visit the Rovi sites, there are some partners and products listed.
     
  16. jth tv

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    I was thinking of currently being sold retail OTA DVR's that use Rovi grid guide scheduling data.
     
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  17. gweempose

    gweempose Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I agree. Since SkipMode was one of the featured selling points of the Bolt since its launch, I wouldn't think they could simply take away this feature without there being some serious blowback.
     
  18. series5orpremier

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    The Magnavox TB560HS due out later this year has a grid guide. Does that mean it has Rovi's fingerprints?

    EDIT: It definitely is the Rovi grid guide. A picture of the grid guide in the CNET review says "powered by Rovi".

    The stories said they were still early in the purchase talks so you never know - now that it's public information some other company could swoop in with a better offer. Or maybe the purchase by Rovi can be blocked on antitrust grounds.
     
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  19. mr.unnatural

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    Following up on my earlier post regarding Schedules Direct and EPG123 for WMC users, I installed the 0.9 Beta version of EPG123 today on my WMC PC and my guide data extends out 21 days with the option to make it 30 days. All of my FIOS and local channels are there, although I did have to manually had two of my locals into the guide. For some weird reason WMC doesn't like to scan channel frequencies that have their physical channel in the VHF band.

    One feature that was sorely lacking in the WMC guide was having the season and episode info added to the recording title. EPG123 allows you to do this. The only real downside to making the switch is that you have to set up all of your series recordings (i.e., season passes) from scratch.

    Any thoughts I had of switching to the SiliconDust DVR app have evaporated completely after installing EPG123. OTOH, I was really hoping JRiver Media Center would fulfill their Kickstarter campaign.
     
  20. rainwater

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    That would be a bit strange the layoff the employees getting the least benefits and costing TiVo way less than most other employees in R&D. If that is how they are going to save money, then it would be a pretty dumb move financially.
     

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