Oh Crap - Rovi buys TiVo?

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  1. Series3Sub

    Series3Sub Well-Known Member

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    And this is why ol' Tom took his leave when he did. He didn't want to be active as CEO upon the death of TiVo, with only its data collection arm merged with Rovi.
     
  2. Series3Sub

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    Channel Master does, and yet, Channel Master is quite popular.
     
  3. Series3Sub

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    Because TiVo wanted all its "partners" (MVPD's to whom TiVo pitched) to pay for virtually ALL the costs for R&D, hardware, contractually obligated expenditures for promotion, and on and on, AND, on top of all that, still pay a royalty fee to TiVo, plus per subscriber fee. After all those costs, the mere fact that the MVPD would be TiVo branded co-product was supposed to be reason enough to throw all that money at TiVo. Of course, just about everybody--except DirecTV in the early years when all they knew how to do do was SPEND money--was simply NOT interested. That's when TiVo became a company for suing others for (fantasy) patent violations.

    So, the rest of the world passed TiVo by. TiVo was once a valuable company and they missed their chance to sold for a good price and most likely still in existence as a DVR company for many more years from now, maybe, if not one of the DVR makers, perhaps an MVPD. TiVo was foolish to think all those smart pay-TV and DVR making companies would just swoon over TiVo and gladly hand over piles of money. It was all just too unaccrative and costly for anyone to really partner with TiVo in the long run. Now, time has run out.
     
  4. Series3Sub

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    Easily the Hopper.
     
  5. Series3Sub

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    What is making us less than optomistic is NOT that TiVo is being sold (true word for "merged") but WHO is buying it. If it were a DVR maker or even an MVPD, that would be good news for TiVo and its retail and MSO users. However, Rovi is a company that clearly sees value in TiVo's data collection arm and not much else. Somehow, we all know that a non-hardware company with no retail is not interested in anything but software for a business to business model.
     
  6. Series3Sub

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    FWIW, Dish legacy and Hopper DVR's give all the same granualarity with a much better EPG on all Hoppers. TiVo is still an excellent product.
     
  7. Series3Sub

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    Ironically, TiVo trademarked "PVR" when that was what we called DVR's. After all that, TiVo never used "PVR." What was the point? So, now we call these things DVR's, and even TiVo refers to them as "DVR's" years after trademarking "PVR." Of course TiVo used other names like "Digital Media Recorder; Unified . . . ." you get the picture. Still TiVo NEVER used "PVR" after trademarking it.
     
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    If Rovi cancels TiVo's DVRs from where are they supposed to gather said data?
     
  10. Series3Sub

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    It's bad becasuse Rovi is buying TiVo. Now if the merge were with a company like Echostar, it might be good as Echostar has been trying to get further into the MSO market.
     
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    It's bad becasuse Rovi is buying TiVo. Now if the merge were with a company like Echostar, it might be good as Echostar has been trying to get it's hardware and software further into the MSO market.
     
  12. Series3Sub

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    It's the software and patents related to that.
     
  13. morac

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    Rovi's web site lists "over 5000 patents" as one of their accomplishments. I had to dig to find something about data collection and it was a post on their blog mentioning the Oscars. I'd say it's more about the patents.

    http://www.rovicorp.com/ip-and-licensing.html
     
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    Technically if what's being reported is accurate, it is a merger, it's just the it's a 70/30 merger, not a 50/50 one.
     
  15. Wil

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    For Tivo hobbyists, all seven that still exist, this will be the beginning. Much of the key code is still a mystery. We can muck around with brute force patches, but without the complete source code it's been mostly shooting in the dark. I believe in the nightmare scenario you suggest, all will be revealed, and perfect home brew DVRs will be at hand; at least for the seven.
     
  16. osu1991

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    As a 15 plus year Dish sub, I can say the Dish guide isn't superior. Just try getting OTA info. It is virtually non existent except for the Big 4 unless Dish carries that local and Dish stopped adding new sub channel guide info 2 years ago. About half the local channels in Tulsa now have no guide info from Dish. The Hopper 1 and 2 software has become so bloated that they are pretty slow. The Hopper 3 being new, is pretty fast but has its own problems including most OTA recordings with the OTA module are unwatchable at the moment and personally I'm not a fan of the new Carbon UI either.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk
     
  17. tarheelblue32

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    This is all very depressing news. I have to believe that one of the first things to go will be SkipMode, as that apparently requires actual human employees to set the commercial markers, and they will probably be the first ones laid off once the merger goes through. I've only had SkipMode about a month or so, and I'm already hooked on it. Very depressing that we will probably lose this feature in the near future.
     
  18. waynomo

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    Is there a lawyer in the house?

    I suppose legally they could do that, but it's such a big selling point I think it's highly unlikely.
     
  19. tarheelblue32

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    Unless there is something written into the TiVo user agreement that says SkipMode is a specific feature that you are buying when you purchase a TiVo or the TiVo service, it's going to be a hard case to make. You'd basically have to argue some kind of detrimental reliance rather than a straight up breach of contract, and that's very difficult to do in an actual court of law. And since you aren't actually allowed to sue TiVo in a real court anymore, it would be even harder. Every dispute with TiVo now has to go through binding arbitration, and that is pretty much useless.

    If/when RoviVo ends retail DVR sales, SkipMode will be the first TiVo feature to disappear.
     
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  20. waynomo

    waynomo My One Time

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    So not day one, but maybe 3 or 5 years down the road?
     

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