Oh Crap - Rovi buys TiVo?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by JoeKustra, Mar 24, 2016.

  1. stevel

    stevel Dumb Blond TCF Club

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    Silicon Dust, as you probably know, has developed a replacement. But while it was supposed to be available last September, it's still not ready. (A beta is out but it doesn't do protected content, which is critical.)

    Meanwhile, WMC does work on Win10 with protected content.
     
  2. mr.unnatural

    mr.unnatural Well-Known Member

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    I've used the Silicon Dust DVR app and I can't say that I think much of it. I think you can forget about Ceton having any involvement in development of a DVR app even though it would probably benefit them in the long run. JRiver Media Center had a Kickstart campaign a while ago to make their DVR app work with protected content, but it fell way short of the mark for raising funds. That's a damn shame because JRiver is reportedly a very polished product and works quite well from what I've been told.

    Now that Schedules Direct is supporting WMC I see it being around for quite some time. That may be wishful thinking on my part, but as long as the providers aren't changing the format of their content (i.e., switching to some new exotic video format that our current hardware and/or software can't handle), WMC will be viable for as long as there is hardware available. The only real stumbling block that would prevent its longevity was the availability of guide data. With EPG123 and Schedules Direct supporting the use of it, there's no reason why it can't exist well into the next decade.

    I'm still on Windows 7 and see no reason to upgrade to anything newer. The SiliconDust DVR app does work in Windows 10 using the backend from WMC
     
  3. keenanSR

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    And it appears that their(SD) solution is and will be devoid of any kind of grid-style guide. Apparently it was too expensive to license(Rovi).
     
  4. TonyD79

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    Okay. I can buy that. And I agree. Specs are for geeks.
     
  5. NashGuy

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    I had a Sony DHG. I'm hoping the second DVR I've ever owned, my Roamio, doesn't become my second DVR to fall victim to Rovi neglect.
     
  6. JoeKustra

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    Amen.
     
  7. NashGuy

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    I'd love it if Silicon Dust (or a competitor) developed a polished app for all the popular streaming boxes (Fire TV, Roku, Apple TV) to serve as a front-end for the OTA and CableCard tuners they sell. Add an external hard drive to the tuner if you want DVR functionality. Even without one, you still get live TV (that you can pause and rewind using on-board memory) with guide info, all inside an app on the box you use for streaming pretty much any service you want (Netflix, Amazon, HBO, Showtime, Hulu, etc.) Maybe version 2.0 of the app could include OnePass-style universal search and queuing across the most popular apps too; click on a show title and it would launch the correct app on that box and take you to the title.

    Frankly, if TiVo/Rovi (or any company licensing the TiVo brand) were to offer a future retail solution for OTA-users, something like the above would make more sense rather than trying to offer another box that tries to do everything (live OTA + DVR + streaming). If you can't beat Roku, Apple TV and Fire TV (and TiVo can't), then you may as well join 'em.
     
  8. TonyD79

    TonyD79 Well-Known Member

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    Who would want to replace OTA with streaming?
     
  9. jkovach

    jkovach TiVoing since 1999!

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    In some parts of the country, they call carbonated beverages 'cokes'.

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  10. JoeKustra

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    I really hope my tax dollars didn't pay for that survey. By county!?:rolleyes:
     
  11. SomeRandomIdiot

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    Exactly what I stated.
     
  12. foghorn2

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    Those who who follow the latest trend and think streaming is cool and cheaper.

    The same people with $80,000 tanker sized SUV's going through McDonald's drive thru's.
     
  13. dianebrat

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    This is why I rolled back to Win8.1, the SD replacement wasn't good enough for me, but I have an outlier use and WMC is perfect, I have the Win10 WMC hack files and may try it later.

    My issue is that for my desktop PC I don't care about the guide, but I do want protected content since I watch and pause, then skip commercials to catch up, and the SD solution couldn't handle that.
     
  14. stevel

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    My mom uses the WMC hack on Win10 and it works fine for her with protected content.
     
  15. NashGuy

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    Are you asking in response to my post just above yours? I wasn't talking about replacing OTA with streaming but rather adding OTA to streaming, much like Tablo does.
     
  16. TonyD79

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    It wasn't clear. Especially when you were talking about using a streaming device for local channels.
     
  17. ncted

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    Well, the FCC and the wireless carriers would like you to. You weren't really using those UHF frequencies now, were you?
     
  18. LoveGardenia

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    Suppose this is good for us as well as the company? Get more exposure for TiVo box/service. We the hardcore customers get a better service with cable companies? No TA's, no hassle with CC's and (for those interested) VOD service? This doesn't have to be gloom and doom for TiVo could help the company expand into more homes. We the customers may not lose service, guide and support. We may or may not get a better deal monthly/yearly or LT. There's a $400 deal LT for current customers going now. If this merger/buyout is bad for company/customers why offer this deal? I'm looking/hoping for a newer TiVo box later this year.
     
  19. NashGuy

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    I'm talking about something like this:
    https://www.tablotv.com/how-tablo-works/

    Except it would be cool if you could also use it without the USB hard drive if you didn't care about DVR functionality, but simply wanted a way to integrate live OTA TV into your streaming box (Roku, etc.) to avoid switching tv inputs and remotes. Moreover, it would be even better if the accompanying app offered unified search and a unified watchlist for all the major streaming services (which also reside on those streaming boxes as separate apps).

    In their last quarterly call, TiVo said they were planning a new type of retail product that isn't a traditional DVR for late 2016. Something like this, which is a modular add-on to popular set-top boxes everyone (especially cord-cutters/shavers) already owns, makes more sense to me than trying to sell another box trying to be a total solution (but which can't be since TiVo is a poor streaming platform). Of course, should the Rovi deal go through, who knows if that new retail product will ever materialize.
     
    Last edited: Mar 26, 2016
  20. Series3Sub

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    Rovi would only want TiVo data collection arm and not be interested in TiVo's hardware or retail or even MSO sides of the business. If Rovi manges to get TiVo, look for all our TiVo's to be cut-off. All the other parts of TiVo's business (excepting the data collection arm) make absolutely no sense for Rovi. This would be the end of the end. And I was hoping whatever company did buy TiVo would let the current DVR's keep on hummin. Not so with Rovi.
     

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