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  1. pswong2

    pswong2 New Member

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    Hi Uncle Poo,

    Can you help me get an image for Toshiba RS-TX60, 160 GB drive?
     
  2. Stevenam

    Stevenam New Member

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    I recently had to relocate my RS-TX60, and upon plugging it in, the two orange/yellow display lights on the front panel flash and the unit no longer starts up. Any ideas or suggestions? It's not in a hot area, is well ventilated, and has been trouble free for years.
     
  3. unclepoo

    unclepoo New Member

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    sorry this has happened to you, I recently had the same thing, what worked for me was just to unplug it, let it cool down, then retry it until it worked, once it's up, it's usually trouble free. If you have access to the correct screwdrivers you could unscrew it, and make sure all of the connections are good, and dust it with a can of compressed air, the most likely problems with these units are #1 the hard drive and #2 the Power supply. it's possible that somehow your image on the hard drive has become corrupt, or possibly the hard drive is needing replaced, in which case you can get an image thrown on another hard drive. I recommend checking out the weakness troubleshooting section TiVo Repair and Troubleshooting Guide: Problems and Solutions
     
  4. unclepoo

    unclepoo New Member

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    Hi pswong2, sorry I just now seen this message, yes I can get you the image, but you probably already have it now right?
     
  5. rockstar72

    rockstar72 New Member

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    Just found this forum. My cable company just eliminated all analog channels so I am retiring two RS-TX20s. I guess from this forum, there are still some folks using these. They work great so I am sorry to not be able to use them any longer. I will probably have to put them on eBay there is no analog service available in this area now.
     
  6. unclepoo

    unclepoo New Member

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    I also dreaded when our Local Cable Company went completely digital, it meant an end to recording one channel on the Tivo built in tuner while watching another channel on the TV set. However these units are fully capable of being of Great use to you. They can change the channels on lots of cable boxes (including the cheap Free to 3 dollar a month mini boxes). All you need is an infrared blaster (under 10 bucks if you can't find yours) If you get the classic lineup you will get everything, They can even control the higher end cable boxes. and if at any point you want to cut the cord you could still use these in combination with a digital television adapter. and pick up everything within your area with no cable tv fees. You could also set up one of these with a good RF TV Modulator and a remote extender and feed your whole house. Your units are far from ready for the junk heap. Whatever you want to do, sell them, keep them, there are people here who are willing to help.
    we have 3 of these units and have went from analog cable, to digital cable to now Over the Air TV without a hiccup.:)
     
  7. Mikeguy

    Mikeguy Well-Known Member

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    Still using mine (an RS-TX20) for a major urban area's over-the-air signals (with a free digital signal transition converter box) 11 years later, and working like a champ, although the numbers and letters/symbols on the remote's rubber keys have started to rub off, in the last year . . . . :)
     
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  8. rockstar72

    rockstar72 New Member

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    unclepoo, thanks for the information, I am glad to hear these can still be useful.

    Since I have both units boxed up, I convinced my wife of the need for a new Roamio and a Mini. So I guess I will look for a new home for my two RS-TX20s. I don't think I'd have too much luck selling them locally. Would you suggest eBay or is there a selling forum on this forum?

    Thanks.
     
  9. Mikeguy

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    For direct sale of items, as well as promotion of eBay auctions: eBay Auction Central

    Do note: as nice as these units are/were, they have a low re-sale value . . . .
     
  10. Yesterdaysfuture

    Yesterdaysfuture New Member

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    Uncle poo I'm looking for a Rx-tx60 image let me know if you can help
     
  11. unclepoo

    unclepoo New Member

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    Full Screen Issues Digital Converter Box
    It's 2017, and we are still using 3 of these RS-TX series TIVos with Digital Converter Boxes for OTA Reception. and Yes 2 of them are hooked up to HDTV's but we are ok with it. We Love Our Tivo's
    I am using 2 Zenith DTT901's and 1 Magnavox TB100MW9
    The Zenith Box has a better picture, where the Magnavox gives a softer less sharp picture.
    I prefer the Zenith overall, with one exception.
    It does not always Display a full screen, I recently recorded a program and although some programs record in full screen on that channel, not all do, then you need the converter box remote to change the display.
    For those who either are still using (or did use) the Tivo RSTX box and a Converter box without the Full Screen Problem I just Described, which Converter Box would I need to purchase that will ALWAYS display a FULL SCREEN ?
    Here is the page of Tuners that are listed to work (or not) for the Tivo Series 2 Single Tuner
    Please let me know of any tuner that you are using that is not on this page, that does not have this problem.
    TiVo Customer Support
     
  12. Feb 1, 2019 #2052 of 2055
    Oakland1000

    Oakland1000 New Member

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    So, here it is Feb. 2019, 14 years later. And I have been offered a
    Toshiba RS-TX20 Digital Media Server DVR DVD Recorder Tivo
    but I don't know if its of any use? Does anyone know whether this is usable? I have a TiVo Roamio OTA with Lifetime so can I hook this up and make DVDs with it??? Do I need a patch? Do I need a separate subscription??
     
  13. Feb 1, 2019 #2053 of 2055
    unclepoo

    unclepoo New Member

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    I happened to be browsing the forums today, and I checked this one and seen your post. my last post which was just before yours was in 2017.

    I have an answer for you even today the RS-TX20 and RS-TX60 (the same machine, different size hard drives) are useful, even if they aren't activated, these machines came with something called "Tivo Basic" Now Support could be pulled from Tivo at any time, but mine still work with Tivo Basic which does not need an account and is FREE. which gives you only 3 days of the guide info vs I believe it's 14 for the paid. So here is what it can be used for.

    1. A DVD Player (it can stop on a dime and give you nine cents change, I have never seen any DVD players that are as Precise and User Friendly as These Tivo Units (Do note they can only play DVD's not Blu Rays It can also play Standard DVD-R, but I don't think it supports DVD+R

    2. If you have Cable they can be set up to control a cable box with an ir emitter so you can continue to use it, even though most cable has become digital and often requires cable boxes.

    3. These units would have become useless for OTA after the Digital Transition, but Tivo fixed that with an update to the operating system, that allows you to set the unit up through the composite inputs to control a small number of digital converter boxes that it can control. I have 2 of the most popular the Zenith DTT 901 and the Magnavox TB100MW9. This list shows a number of boxes that the Series 2 Tivo units can control, but it can probably control more now as some manufacturers may still be using the same remote codes.

    Tivo Customer Support Community

    Here is how to hook it up

    Tivo Customer Support Community

    4. These Tivo Units once something has been Recorded to it have the ability to save the recording (Provided it's not to large) to a Blank DVD-R. It does it pretty fast and give it a nice Tivo Menu so that you could play it on any DVD Player or computer but it looks like a Tivo.

    There are 4 Recording Qualities Best, High, Medium, and Basic.
    Recordings recorded at Best Quality can fit 1 hour on a DVD
    Recordings recorded at High Quality can fit 2 hours on a DVD
    Recordings recorded at Medium Quality can fit 4 hours on a DVD (my pick)
    Recordings recorded at Basic Quality can fit 6 hours on a DVD.

    5.Yes you can record things on it either through a cable box, or an Digital Converter Box for OTA, or either Composite or S-Video. and you can record manually.
    The Quality can be very nice to watch even on Large Televisions,
    However due to hardware limitations it is impossible to record these in HD.


    And again even if there is no "Lifetime" on this unit, these units at least for now come with Tivo Basic and can work, get 3 days of guide info from the internet and don't need an account to do so.

    IF you like it use it, Otherwise this can be used as a single tuner Cable or OTA DVR for someone who doesn't have one
    and it won't cost any monthly fees. in order to use it, you would need the Tivo Unit, a Wireless adapter to get the guide info from the Internet, an IR Emitter to change the channels, and the appropriate cables to hook up the unit to a TV to watch and a Cable or DTA OTA box to control for cable or OTA Recording.
     
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  14. Mikeguy

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    The only question I have is, given that TiVo no longer will sell a monthly/yearly/Lifetime subscription for these, will it allow a box to be registered/re-established with it for even the included TiVo Basic service? I'd ask TiVo before buying a unit, but if one has the opportunity for a free box, I'd certainly try it out.* I think that, especially for an auxiliary TiVo box (e.g. in an extra bedroom or the kitchen, perhaps), TiVo Basic could be sufficient for some, and the built-in DVD capability is great (I always wished the TiVo would have continued that capability in later boxes, and still miss it there). One thing to note: the OTA picture on the box, via a converter box, is the old-school soft picture, in terms of both clarity and proportion--far from today's digital HD.

    * When TiVo had an earlier TiVo box upgrade promotion (buy a Bolt box from TiVo and transfer your Lifetime subscription from your Series 2 box to the Bolt for $99), I called TiVo and asked if that would mean that a Toshiba Series 2 TiVo box would be reverted back to its original TiVo Basic state--I was told, no, all subscription capability would be turned off. :( (That doesn't quite feel right/"fair," but the offer was what the offer was.)
     
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  15. jwillis84

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    This is some ten months later in 2019. December 2019

    I've re-established, revived a Pioneer DVR-810H-S, Pioneer DVR-57H-S, Toshiba RS-TX20, Toshiba RS-TX60 and a Humax DRT800 (running DRT400 image). And one Toshiba RS-TX60 (running Tivo Basic).

    The key seems to be getting them on a version of the Tivo software (for their specific hardware image) that supports a USB Broadband connection.. and then connecting with a (supported) USB network adapter and allowing it to pull down an Update image that (supports the new ROVI guide data) "before" clearing or resetting the box for a new zipcode or to address a recent hard drive change.

    If you don't do that in the proper order.. you can essentially ("brick") the Tivo.. unless you can fetch or get a new hard drive image that can survive the "Guided Setup" phase.

    During "Guided Setup" the Tivo software has to pull down and understand the zipcode information for initializing the first database.. if it doesn't understand the new "ROVI" format it will connect to Tivo and then fail and never exit the "Guided Setup".. so it is not enough to have USB network support, it also has to have Tivo software update "post 2016" to understand the new ROVI formatted data.

    Normally the Tivo gets updates all the time.. but if its been sitting on a shelf for a number of years, you have to get it out.. hook it up (through USB networking) and leave it alone so that it gets the software update.. this may take several days.. or you can restart it twice and it ("may") download any update.. just don't try anything to "trigger" a Guided Setup.. until (After) that Service Update has been applied! -- Don't get impatient.. check the "Version" of the Tivo software installed by going into the Settings and Service Information screens and make sure the "current" version for your box hardware is installed.

    Note: I did acquire a rescue drive from a couple places and discovered, even these can be ["old"] and need updating over the network (Before) triggering a Guided Setup. The process works reasonably well once understood.. but I didn't find all the information and experience needed in one place. Rather as helpful as Tivo Fans can be.. they understandably have "experience" and can leave things out in casual conversation. I'm still new at this.. so I'm annoying detailed for now.

    I am of course speaking (mostly about) Series 2 units, since they started out with telephone modems for initializing their databases years ago when new.. and only got USB network support much later. Tivo no longer maintains a dial up service for initialing these models.. so USB network adapters are mandatory.

    They also no longer sell new subscriptions for Series 2 models.. so only Tivos Series 2 that have a Lifetime or Tivo Basic with the new software image on their hard drive will be able to continue to pull Guide data from the Internet. Pioneers and Toshiba models have Tivo Basic to fall back on, Humax models do not have Tivo Basic.

    Something I am not certain of if once a Tivo service type has been moved from Tivo Basic to Tivo Lifetime, or any other like Tivo subscription.. if it can be moved "backwards" to Tivo Basic. I tend to think (Maybe "no") since Tivo Support will transfer ownership.. but does not seem to manage changing service type. This is an edge case.. but potentially some Tivos were in a Subscription relationship with Tivo and fell out of use.. or their owners "Traded up" and Tivo shutdown service for those Series 2 Tivos when they got a new Tivo.. again.. I don't think Tivo will revisit restoring those to Tivo Basic. (I would be very happy to be proven wrong.. but my guess is they would not.)

    The current answer to whether these are still getting Guide data over Broadband for Lifetime and Basic service is yes, yes they are.. and they work very well.

    Are they useful for over the Air recording? Yes, with a Digital to Analog converter. The Series 2 can control a D2A Converter with its IR Blaster port. They have a library of the control codes for many brands and models of D2A Converters.

    But they are Standard Definition (only) not HD TV resolution.

    The DVD Writer models have S-Video and Composite Inputs for also recording from devices like old satellite and cable boxes with S-Video or Composite outputs, and will also work with VHS Tape players.. and possiblly DVD players or Computers that have a TV Output.

    These also have support for Video transfer between boxes, and Video transfer to PC and Mac running Tivo Desktop, Toast 11 or other supported software. Video upload over the network is only possible from the Mac platform now since the TV Desktop Plus product is no longer sold by Tivo.

    Network speeds are slow.. they are over USB 1.1 and limited by the speed of the ports built into the Tivo. While an Amazing trick.. its not something that will catch on broadly.
     
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