Official: Tivo says "DVR rollouts with... DirecTV are on track"

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  1. samo

    samo New Member

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    It is not how much you watch - it is what you watch. In my case one of the channels I used to get on Dish moved to DirecTV, so I moved to DirecTV and getting channels that I can not get on DirecTV ala carte from Dish. If I had to get TV OTA I would be watching TV once a month if that often. If I had to watch news on local channels, I agree with you - I can wait 3 days to see them. I don't have much time to watch TV so when I watch I want to see specific programming on specific channels. I like to get spin on news from all directions including Fox, BBC and Russian channels. You'd be amazed how different story sounds if you don't hear it from major networks only.
     
  2. TyroneShoes

    TyroneShoes HD evangelist

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    Thanks for that, but that is exactly what I told you, and why I asked the questions about whether the Tivo HD had comparable features to what the HR2x has rather than exclaiming that it doesn't. Again, I did not know. Until you answered, that is. It was never me saying "mine's bigger than yours". I'm not entering into your dick-measuring contest, just answering your question as best as I can. I have no dog in this fight and am not claiming superiority just because I apparently chose a superior DVR platform. I actually want all DVRs to have all the best features, and that the Tivo HD just doesn't only makes me sad.

    What was asked for was features that it had that the Tivo HD doesn't have, and so the only way for me to get to the bottom of that was to pose the question back to you, as in -- "well, the HR2x has this. How about the Tivo HD?". From your answers, the HR2x platform apparently has a great number of features including those that I listed, that the Tivo HD just simply does not have.

    Your answers seemed to be more about smokescreening about what you think is important rather than getting to the bottom of your question about what does it have that the Tivo HD does not have. The lack of response about whether the Tivo HD even has these features speaks volumes by your silence on the actual issue at hand.

    Can you really ask that question with a straight face? For anyone who ever uses the buffer, which is probably about 98% of users, its quite obvious. If you do the math, apparently a 90-minute buffer is exactly three times better than a 30-minute buffer. How about that--we can actually quantize exactly how advanced it is! But I forget--was the question about whether these features are important to one person (you) or was the question "what features does it have that the Tivo HD does not have?" Now I remember--it was the last one.

    For instance, possibly you were not among the chorus constantly moaning about a piddly 30-minute buffer. If you were, you still would have been drowned out by the throngs who were whining about it non-stop. Same for all the other Tivo shortcomings. Whether the features that the HR2x has that the Tivo HD does not have are important to you or not is absolutely not the issue. They are important to many who actually have the HR2x platform, however, and they are still then significant features that the Tivo HD does not apparently have.

    And THAT, is the question that was asked, and now answered. Trying to make those issues seem trivial because you can mount some weak argument that you don't care about them does not diminish in any way the fact that those features exist and are significant to typical users. But silence that weak argument and all we hear in response to the list of features asked for is crickets, and the wind whistling through the trees.
     
  3. TyroneShoes

    TyroneShoes HD evangelist

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    That was a typo which was corrected within 5 minutes, so you were unfortunately in that window. It sounds like 30SLIP, a feature apparently proprietary to the HR2x, would be exactly what the doctor ordered for your particular DVR-ing habits.

    So the answer to my question about whether you can drop a bare drive in without fussing around with images or copying software to it via a PC (which is the functional equivalent of fussing around with images) is apparently "No".

    I don't want to insult you by saying that FIOS isn't relevant to a discussion about what features the Tivo HD might or might not have (but really, it isn't), because FIOS also isn't available to only a few million subs (cable and DBS have about 70-80% US penetration, while OTA has about 18%--how much does FIOS have again?), but whether relevant or not, you are incorrect.

    HBO, Showtime, and Starz on DTV each have at least 5 HD channels apiece (not to mention a couple dozen SD channels), and have for some time--not something you are ever going to find on ComCast or Cox. I also sincerely doubt that there are any programs that you can find on 8 or 14 Showtime or HBO channels that I can't find on the 5 of each that I have. Regardless, even though none of that is relevant to the discussion at hand, if you are going to "name a few", you should probably check your facts if you want to establish any semblance of credibility.
     
  4. Enrique

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    Every time I see your username I imagine a DirecTV CEO talking and you getting up and saying "You lie":p.


    God, We get that you think the DirecTVs DVRs are sub-par(And it seems you think DirecTV even is..), No need to keep repeating yourself.

    I find it very funny that you no longer have DirecTV, yet keep coming back to this thread talking about a service you don't have.
     
  5. shibby191

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    You are correct that DirecTV has 2 HBO's in HD.
    But they have 5 Showtimes in HD and 5 Starz in HD (more then FIOS) and have for at least a year, maybe two now.
     
  6. fasTLane

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    WOW.

    DirecTivo 2.... Come on down! :)
     
  7. sjberra

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    Curious - if the simple fact that you don;t consider features advanced unless you use them as your comment states - and you are just utilizing basic recording functionality - would not a svhs recorder work just as well? No advanced features that you consider usless, simple sytraight forward tech to record a show for later watching
     
  8. 20TIL6

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    I find it equally funny when folks that no longer have a DirecTV/TiVo, or clearly have no desire for the new model due and love the HR2X, or are even counting the days when they can discharge a firearm into their old HR10-250, all continue come back and post on a message board called "tivocommunity".

    I have TiVo, I had DirecTV, and I'd like the option of having both again. Those are my reasons. I don't think I've spent 10 minutes on dbstalk. ...wait, I think I've figured it out.
     
  9. sjberra

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    Guess I am the one you are referenceing ( i did introduce my other two HR10's to Mr Smith and Miss Wesson and it was very satisfying), bad assumption though - still have a out dated HR10-250 hooked to my account, albet it is in the garage on a 16 inch low def CRT television, but it is active on the subscription and still in use to supply noise while I am working on restoring a Norton Commando.

    basicly Wrong in one in this case neighbor - your turn
     
  10. innocentfreak

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    I was comparing my lineup on Fios to what DTV lists as my lineup on their site as I posted that so if DTV hasn't updated their lineup online it is difficult to check my facts. According to the DTV site they only offer HBO East and West in HD and Showtime Showcase E and W in HD. I did miss Showtime Extreme HD since they have it under Extreme HD but on packages it has the small Showtime logo. I know one of the big channels I always missed on DTV was HBO comedy which DTV doesn't even carry in SD.

    I asked years ago for them to change my user name but they wouldn't.

    Actually my DTV account is frozen currently because I still wanted to give them a chance and see what the DTivo looks like since my account becomes active again 2/1/10. I did have DTV for about 6 years if not more without any real problems. Now it is true the longer I am with Fios the more I like it and the less likely I will return especially with new announcements like the cable card options for Windows 7. I just don't agree with some of DTV's business practices which only changed recently since they went to a lease option.

    The problem is I don't think I have ever called their DVR subpar or trashed anyone for using it. If I have come across that way, it wasn't my intention. I think the only thing I have ever said is that to me it is somewhat a joke to limit it to 50 shows. I realize that is fine for some people but when the primary job is recording shows and that has a set limit beyond what the hard drive can hold, I just don't see the benefit. Some argue that it is speed related. While this may be some of the case, my Tivo HD and my Series 2 Directivo were never slow with more than 50 season passes. It does strike me more as a business decision since if you want more shows you need another DVR and guess who has the only option.

    One thing that has always seemed more true to me is that Tivo was designed more as a device to record everything and the primary use was to watch recorded shows while the DTV DVR was more designed for live viewing and the occasional recorded show. This again may not be the case for everyone but that is how it has looked to me especially based off things like longer buffers.

    According to DTV's site here, they have 4 Starz channels which are the same ones Fios carries, Starz E, Starz W, Starz Comedy, and Starz Kids. Also they show only 3 showtimes, E, W, and Extreme while Fios has Showtime 2 E and W, Showtime Extreme E and W, Showtime HDTV E and W, and Showtime Showcase E and W. Again if DTV's site is wrong I can't help that when doing my comparison.

    Well unless the SVHS can record 2 shows at once and play another one back at the same time which last I checked it couldn't that alone would rule it out. I never said I am only using basic recording functionality. I just don't use the live tv features since I don't watch live tv.

    Now if SVHS could record more than 2 shows at once while playing back another I wouldn't rule it out till I tried it depending on the cost. I am all about recording as many shows as I want, when I want,and in one location and whoever offers me the best way to do that will get my money. Currently I am leaning towards Microsoft and companies like Ceton with their 4 tuner cable card setup.
     
  11. Enrique

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    I can't speak for other "folks" but myself... I do have Cable and DirecTV(DVRs that I have are the Moxi,Tivo(HD Tivo) and the HR23-700). Now as for why "folks" keep coming back to a forum called tivocommunity"... There're other parts to this forum then just the Tivo part.. Ever read the Off Topic Areas (Non-TiVo) parts?

    Here is a link just to help you out:
    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=32
    :)

    I too would like both options again. Care to explain the ".... wait" part about DBSTalk?
     
  12. Enrique

    Enrique Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you on the 50 limit(I Haven't hit it yet and I use it just like you would a Tivo(I don't ever watch live TV). The thing is both(I'll even throw Moxi into the mix) DVRs are very good for what they do(Record TV and set SPs etc), There're some differences that I wish each had, but for me DirecTVs DVR is best(for now)* and I'm happy with it.


    *As I can't shell out around $900 for 3 HD Tivos.:p So I can't wait to see what the new DTivo is like.
     
  13. innocentfreak

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    This was ultimately why I jumped on the HD Tivos. I lucked out and found the clearance ones at Sears after tracking them down and at a price I couldn't pass up. Prior to that I was content to wait out the DTivo release. When I scored those and weighed the options, it just made sense to make the switch. I figured I would have to pay at minimum $100 a pop most likely more for the new Directivos plus the additional HD fees. On top of that with no news on features there was no way to know if the new Directivo would even offer all of the Tivo HD features.

    In the first year based on the savings from switching to Fios from DTV+phone and internet which were already on Fios, I will already have covered the lifetime fees of all three units. The only thing I initially missed from the switch was having E/W feeds for local SD channels since I was grandfathered in under old waivers. Once I found out that I could record the local clearqam for pretty much free minus the $90 for 4 tuners that went away quickly.
     
  14. magnus

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    You are so eloquent. :rolleyes:

    I simply asked about the features that the HR20 had that were of significance and only one person responded back with anything that was advanced. The items that Tivo "passed" on were probably ones that they should have passed on because they really don't amount to much in my opinion.

    The buffer item I could see as long as it's configurable. I don't want 180 minutes of my drive being dedicated to a buffer.

    I'm not sure how you can claim any superiority based on the items that you listed though.

     
  15. nrc

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    I suppose it doesn't take many people to form a chorus, but the notion that there have been throngs whining about 30 minute buffers non-stop is a figment of your imagination. Yes, some people want it. I think you've talked more about it here than I've seen TiVo users talk about it for the last year.

    If TiVo gave me the option to increase the buffer size I wouldn't since I'd rather have the space for recordings and suggestions.
     
  16. Matt L

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    Good grief! Now I've heard everything. Whining about TOO much buffer! That answer is simple DON"T TURN IT ON! You have that option -- that's another thing TiVo won't let you do. Along with my new favorite thing recordable buffers something my Tivo never let me do either.
     
  17. magnus

    magnus Tivo User

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    I want it configurable.... if it has to change. 30 minutes is well more than enough. You people who think that you need a 90 minute buffer have never hear of using season passes.... I would think.

    I want the buffer but I just don't want 90 (180) minutes of it (agree with nrc on this point).

     
  18. nrc

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    For a long time pressing record on TiVo has started recording the current program including whatever portion of the that program is in the buffer. How is that different than your new favorite feature?
     
  19. samo

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    Very different. You are watching buffer on TiVo and didn't notice that program you are watching is over. You got interrupted and pushed record to save the buffer and end of the program and <put your own profanity here> , your buffer is gone and TiVo happily records the next show from the beginning.
    No other DVR is that stupid! Dish allows you to mark the place you want to start and will record from that place to the end of the buffer (default is to record whole buffer). DirecTV records whole buffer and properly labels portions that belong to different shows.
     
  20. nrc

    nrc Cracker Soul

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    It's not really true to say that TiVo doesn't record the buffer. It's fair to say that its logic for what portion of the buffer to record is not ideal.

    I think I've encountered it once in 10 years of using TiVo. Obviously it's less of an issue with just 30 minutes of buffer, but I don't think it would ever make my favorite features list.
     

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