Official: Tivo says "DVR rollouts with... DirecTV are on track"

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  1. magnus

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    And my apples to apples comment is validated again here but no one responded to the original comment. What can an HR20 do that a TivoHD/S3 cannot?


     
  2. shibby191

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    Don't know. But how much does that matter since it can't be used with DirecTV anyway?

    I think assuming that all the TivoHD/S3 features will be in any new DirecTivo is assuming too much. In the initial press release it was stated that it would run on DirecTV's multimedia platform. Thus if it does MRV it would use DirecTV's MRV for example. It would need to work on the DirecTV Media Share and be able to work with the DECA SWM modules and such for networking over coax. These things could even be the source of the delay if Tivo is having trouble getting that to work.

    We shall see and CES will be a key telling on progress.
     
  3. cthomp21

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    From my understanding reading through the hundreds (maybe thousands) of posts on dbstalk, the hardware platform between a S3 Tivo and an HR2x is nearly identical. They both operate using linux too. The major physical difference is the tuners - satellite for HR2x and cable/cable card for S3 Tivo.

    There's even some speculation that the Tivo software could be a download for existing HR2x boxes based on information disclosed at shareholder meetings and other public disclosures that have been trickling out over the past year.

    I dunno. In any case, it will be great when some concrete info becomes available.
     
  4. nrc

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    DirecTV keeps sending me stuff but I throw it away without reading it. I guess I should check. Maybe it's something about my medal. :D
     
  5. magnus

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    That was the original comment.... Tivo arrogantly dismissed and/or never dreamed of.

    I was curious what this statement meant because from what I can tell my TivoHD/S3 does everything thing that my sister's HR20 can do and more.

    It never was Tivo's fault that Directv decided to close their system and that the FCC did not force the SatCOs to use a standard like cablecard. So, if there ever is a box from Tivo (like HR20) or software from Tivo to be put on the HR20... then it would be nice to know what features to expect as basic things that the Directv service already has. And what features would having Tivo bring to you for the money.

    I would think that for example you could use DirecTV's MRV and Tivo's MRV. So, I could have a Directv Tivo and a SA Tivo that could move shows back and forth.



     
  6. samo

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    Below are my personal "must have" features TiVo does not have that I posted earlier in this thread, I'm sure Tyrone can come up with more when he revisits this thread. Like, for example HD guide or one button CC switch. I would add 1.5 hour dual buffer if I posted my "must haves" today - it is no longer public beta CE feature, it has been released.
     
  7. Jonathan_S

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    If you've got one of the semi-recent beta software builds on it (like my friend's does) you can:

    1. Display an integrated Now Playing list that shows all the programs on all your HR20s.
    2. when doing MRV equivalent, stream HD programs at faster than real-time, including ability to fast forward into the section not yet streamed.
    3. Stream programs that are still being recorded onto their original DVR. (You can get a 2nd HR20 to within about 5 seconds of "real-time" compared to the HR20 that's actually recording the program.

    And that's just the couple nice things I know about from a few minutes experimenting with his boxes.

    I don't know that I'd trade TiVo's wishlist functionality for it (for example), but in several ways the HR20's multi-room viewing is superior to TiVo's.
     
  8. magnus

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    That's a list worth looking at. FSI, PIP, and CID are not on the list of must have. :D

     
  9. TyroneShoes

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    I only do that in the grocery store. I am not comparing anything to anything, but you can if you feel the need. I am not that up to speed on the new Tivo HD; my point of reference is the HR10-250, so I would have to ask you how the Tivo HD compares to that first, I guess.

    Does your new Tivo overlap recordings? Or does it still punch a 20-second hole between back-to-back programs? In most cases, The HR2x will automatically overlap (without resorting to padding) up to 4 simultaneous (two about to end, two about to begin) recordings. You get a little extra on each end instead of a truncated cliffhanger or "joining in progress" every time. I'm not sure the Tivo engineers ever realized that adjacent recordings could actually overlap on the same tuner, a feature that could have been in every Dtivo if they simply had realized it.

    Does Tivo go to a "live" mode on channel change? Or is there still the delay? The HR2x is live until you invoke trick play.

    The HR2x has both 30SKIP and 30SLIP functions available. Which of those does the Tivo have? I'm guessing its probably limited to 30SKIP.

    Does it still have X1/5th slo-mo? Or has it been upgraded to the smoother more practical X1/3rd slo-mo speed that the HR2x has?

    Does Tivo have the option for external HDDs? Or is it just a bit more complicated than simply plugging in an off-the-shelf eSATA? Can you just drop a bare drive into the box replacing the original one and expect it to automagically be a full-blown Tivo again directly after boot up? Or do you have to fuss with an image? Or do you still have to marry the old drive to the new, halving the reliability, and meaning that if either fails, both drives are screwed?

    Can you get 215 hours of recording on a 1 TB drive? Or is it more like only 160 hours? I've got two upgraded HR20's and two upgraded HR10's for about 750 hours of HD storage, more than I will ever need. But the Tivos only account for about 166 of those 750 hours between them.

    If you want to add CableCards, just how much does cable charge for that truck roll? I'm hearing about $50 a pop if you're lucky for many large MSOs. When that breaks, does cable point the finger at Tivo, who is pointing the finger back at cable? Sounds costly and frustrating to me, but I can only imagine, as the HR2x is a self-contained system, as was the HR10-250. Do they charge another $50 for the truck roll to take them out when you finally get fed up?

    How many of those 130+ HD channels that DTV has does cable have? According to the websites, not that many, apparently. DTV is about ready to add another slew of them. The only thing local Cox currently (finally) has that I don't have is TravelHD and MSNBCHD (neither of which I could give two $#!+s about).

    Does your program supplier have an 8-split for NFL games? College games? I guess you don't need a split if you aren't getting that many simultaneous games, do you? How about multi-split tennis or golf tournaments? Any interactive sports stuff? How many different cars can you listen in to during NASCAR races?

    Can you turn on/off CC in three button presses? or is it still more like twenty?

    Can you quickpick any of 9 favorite channels in two button presses?

    Does Tivo have the lower-third quick menu over full-screen live video? How about a PIG?

    Can you select the channel in the EPG grid and press "info" and get everything for the next 12-14 days on that channel listed chronologically, automatically? Or are you limited to that old-style Tivo guide in the first place?

    Does Tivo really respond to TC forum suggestions? Does Tivo have a "Cutting Edge"-style program? Whether they do or not, has the software evolved significantly in the last 3 years, or has it pretty much remained the same since v3.1 except for that embarrasing foray into v6.x that lowered reliability and caused numerous problems which essentially made that upgrade a disaster?

    BTW, what do you have to pay for that thing? I got both my HR20's for the cost of shipping alone, and no contract extension. Plus a free dish and install. My last HR10-250 was free as well, and also did not extend my contract (which has been over for two years).

    I think I might just be getting started. DirecTV has acquired the Replay technology, which hasn't even begun to show its influence yet. DISH has Slingbox on board. Both are gobbling up technology at a record pace. What's cable doing? All Tivo has is...Tivo. Cash-strapped and living from check to check in the worst economy in 80 years. All I really know is that I would be nervous with a company whose main strategy for keeping afloat is simply to sue the pants off of everyone else.

    BTW, how long are those buffers on Tivo?
     
  10. magnus

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    Your point of reference is against older technology the HR10-250 and against restrictions that Directv had against Tivo.

    Tivo HD/S3
    I really don't have an overlap problems.

    Don't care about an external drive cause I don't want the problems with knowing if it's the internal or external that has a problem (when a drive fails). And from what I've heard the HR20 only uses the external and not both.

    FF Skip whatever... I just use the FF button and when I see the show come up then I press play. Bam, that's all I need.

    I really only need the 250GB that I have. So, not an issue there for me.

    CCs are not something that I care about either. I use OTA and don't need a truck roll or whatever for that.

    Don't care about the bloated amount of channels that Directv has. I'm not interested in paying $100 for 500 channels I couldn't possibly watch. I only watched about 5 channels above the basic OTA channels.

    Buffer? really? Do we really need that large a buffer? If so, I'd like to configure it anyway.

    Slingbox? I don't want that integrated into my DVR.

    I paid $400 for a lifetime S3 (the real deal) and it cost me about $1000 per year for Directv each year.

    You paid for shipping and about $1000 per year for TV. You tell me who has saved more.

    Nervous? Tivo? Maybe Directv, Dish, and Cable should be because TV is changing and they are only going to see more defectors as economic changes come.

    Netflix and Tivo is all anyone really needs. All that is required for more defectors... access to Hulu from your Tivo.


     
  11. innocentfreak

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    I guess the Tivo HD does. I know at pretty much all times my shows aren't cut off any at the beginning or end and I am almost always running 2 tuners at the same time. Then again this was the case on my Directivos. I never tried the H10-250.

    No idea. I haven't watched live TV since I got my Tivos just over 9 years ago. I have around 6GBs of shows currently if you include what I have on my server I can watch not to mention my dvd collection.

    Not sure what you mean here since you repeated 30SKIP and 30SKIP. Personally I have never used 30 second skip. I actually like scanning the commercials because I do occasionally see things like trailers I am interested in or commercials for TV specials I wouldn't have known about otherwise. I rarely use slo-mo so I couldn't tell you.

    Yes they will accept a WD DVR specific model external drive. I believe there are ways to add other ones but I haven't tried it since everything dumps to my PC or server. No real fussing with images it is simply a matter of popping both drives in a PC and copying it for internal upgrades. It takes about 20 minutes at most for an empty drive more obviously if you want to transfer recordings also.

    Verizon doesn't charge anything for Cablecard installs. They dropped the fee back in April. I haven't had one break so I wouldn't know.

    I do know with my Mom Directv charged her a fee to come out to tell her they need to replace her Directivo which wasn't the truth. It turns out the original DTV installer installed her multiswitch outside with no weather protection so the connections were now covered in rust resulting in one room no longer getting a signal. They made her pay for the repair job to fix the original DTV install. If I hadn't told the installer over the phone to replace the multiswitch first it would have been costly and frustrating to her to have to downgrade from a Directivo on top of the cost to fix the original install.

    I get around 157 according to the estimate which sounds about right since my average one hour recording is 9gb and half hour shows are around 5gb.

    Fios has 14 HBO HD channels versus DTV's 2. 8 Showtimes to DTV's 1. Just to name a few. Here are my Fios HD channels. According to the site they have 126 in my area. I don't see a single DTV HD channel that I would watch that I don't get especially when 14 of the HD channels are FSN.

    I don't watch sports so I don't know.

    I have never used CC either with or without Tivo so no idea.

    I don't watch live tv since I have Tivo so if it could I wouldn't know.

    No which I am extremely happy about. If I am in a guide I don't want to be watching TV or have it playing since it would be playing what I am currently recording to watch later.

    No idea. I do search by title for everything I want to record.

    They have a beta program but it has an NDA. I haven't seen anything in the Cutting Edge yet that has made me go I wish I had that feature. Personally I am waiting for hardware revisions that let me record more than 2 shows at once.

    For 3 Tivo HDs with livetime I paid $1050, not your normal price but it is what I paid. By switching to Fios I saved $100 a month and gained HD channels. My DTV bill was $155 a month. My Fios bill with phone, internet and cable is $164 a month. I have a one year contract with 2 year price guarantee.

    Is the HR2x still limited to 50 shows unless you figure out the formula to trick the DVR into recording additional shows?

    Does DTV charge you extra to access the HD version of a channel you already get?

    Does DTV charge you a lease fee for new hardware and shipping on top of a monthly fee to use the hardware?

    Does DTV extend your contract with new hardware? I can add or return hardware at anytime with no change to my contract.

    Does DTV offer a price guarantee with their contract?

    Does DTV offer channels without another box to any device that can tune QAM?
     
  12. Matt L

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    Well there is one feature the new H2x software has that I've wished for over and over on my old TiVos ---- the ability to RECORD the buffer. Makes that 90 minute buffer even more valuable.
     
  13. samo

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    Talking about generalization! Believe it or not guys, but there are people who like sports, who watch news as they happen, there are people who are hearing impaired and believe it or not there are some people who watch something on TV besides soap operas and reality shows.
    You may find it hard to believe, but there are TV viewers in this country (about 80% or more) that can afford to pay for the variety of programming and they happy to do that. There are people who watch history and discovery channels instead of the season pass for the Bachelor.
    To say that new advanced features of HR2X DVRs are useless because you don't need them is a same as saying that there is no use for automobile because you are Amish.
    I understand that you are happy with your TiVos, and more power to you if you are. Just admit that there must be a reason why TiVo is ONLY DVR maker that loses subscribers.
     
  14. magnus

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    What is so advanced about extra FF options and 90 minute buffer?

    I only mentioned content because the topic of features had been deviated from. Sure, you can say all day long that Directv has more content but in reality that's not gonna save them. There are going to be more and more people that will realize that content is not king and that they can get much of what they watch already on Tivo, Netflix, and Hulu. Times are changing and the premium service providers like Directv should start taking notice.

    News as it happens. Do I really need to hear (right now) about some bastard that just killed his entire family or that we've just bailed out another company? I think I can wait for the news at the regular time or catch up on CNN.com.

    I do not watch any reality TV and I hate soaps. There is more than enough sports for me in my local market. I live in DFW for Christ sakes.

    Tivo loses subscribers because they don't have their own content outlets and because everyone subscribes to the notion that their TV must have something on it (live) whether they want to watch it or not.

    I can afford to pay more for TV but I choose not to. It makes zero sense to me to pay all that money for stuff that I really do not watch.


     
  15. innocentfreak

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    Wow I never would have guessed. I always figured my father and brother were lying to me when they said they like watching football.

    I am one of those people. I get every channel I had on DTV plus HD programming for less. I could afford to pay the DTV prices but I don't see why when what I get is better for less.

    While I do record a lot of primetime shows, I have a ton of season passes for the History channel, TLC, The Discovery Channel, Nat Geo, and APL, just to name a few. Luckily with Tivo I can have more than 50 shows so I don't have to be picky about what shows I record which probably explains why I run around 300 season passes.

    I never said they were useless to people. I just don't consider them advanced and to me these so called advanced features won't serve a purpose in my home. If you do consider them advanced, then you also must consider Tivo's ability to record more advanced than the HR2X since it can handle more shows than 50.

    If someone has no use for a feature than to them it is useless and doesn't add anything when comparing products. It would be like comparing laptops and saying one is better because it is also available in pink. I am not buying pink so why do I care.

    It is a completely different market so you can't really compare the two. If none of the cable companies or satellite companies offered DVRs and you had to buy your own, then you might have a point if Tivo still continued to lose money.

    I am not 100% happy with Tivo but that is more on a hardware end. Lucky for me MS dropped their OEM cable card requirement on Windows 7 so I will have other options that DTV can't offer either since they scrapped their tuners.
     
  16. HiDefGator

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    when you tell Tivo to record a football game does it popup a box asking if you would like to extend the recording time by 30 minutes in case this live event runs long? My HR20 did that to me today. simple but a really nice touch.
     
  17. magnus

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    I set my Tivo to record UT and Tech. Tivo gave option of 1 hour though and I chose the option to be sure.


     
  18. innocentfreak

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    Yeah it works on any live event. You can also disable the popup option if you want.
     
  19. samo

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    Absolutely. I couldn't say it better myself. For example, I never used MRV on TiVo or any other DVR, I never connected my DVRs to Internet or my PCs, and Netflix or DirecTV on demand are useless to me.
    That doesn't mean that these features are useless to everybody. Somebody does buy pink laptops. In general, if majority of people perceive a value in what they buy - products sells. If people don't see a value - product does not sell well and loses existing customers.
    Again, this is an excellent solution for you because you can get the same content for less. For me, I have to subscribe to both DirecTV and Dish because all of the content I need is not available on either provider nor cable or FIOS.
    Thanks God that we live in America and have choices.
     
  20. magnus

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    Directv and Dish? Can one person possibly watch that much TV?

     

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