Official Time Warner Cable Thread

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by tunnelengineer, Sep 14, 2006.

  1. Oct 9, 2014 #6141 of 6277
    spepin

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    My channel lineup changed yesterday (10/8/2014). What do I need to do to my TiVos? Will they pick up the change automatically, or do I need to rerun guided setup?

    Also, the brain trust at TWC have really done it now -- at least before, the HD versions of the local channels were easy to remember -- same numbers, but in the 400 range (2=402, 4=404, 11=411, etc.) Now after the change, that logic is out the window:

    2 is 1209
    4 is 1203
    5 is 1212
    7 is 1200
    9 is 1230
    11 is 1206
    13 is 1215

    Now I wish more than ever that I had FIOS in my neighborhood.
     
  2. Oct 9, 2014 #6142 of 6277
    Teeps

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  4. Oct 9, 2014 #6144 of 6277
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  5. Oct 9, 2014 #6145 of 6277
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    Started guided setup on my S3 648250 and it's been chewing on "prepairing" for over 2 hours.
    Is this typical?

    UPDATE
    "Preparing" finally finished, and now at 1500 hrs (5 hours into this) the S3 is still loading data it's at 80%.
     
  6. Oct 9, 2014 #6146 of 6277
    Tivo II Jack

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    I think you guys need to read back a few months, the TW change is a very good one. Start with my original note in this same string on the giant channel changes made several months ago in NYC:

    http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=10133961#post10133961

    The various "orderly" channel lineups such as (SD) 2 = (HD) **2 are certainly much better than (SD) 2 = (HD) **63, but that is not the case at all. Once you get the change, 2 is both SD AND HD. The feed you get is determined by the equipment you have. If your equipment is SD, you get the SD feed and if your equipment is HD you get the HD feed. This is easily verified by going to channel 2 and looking at the picture. PERFECT.

    You will have to change all your season passes, mine never adjusted automatically. In NYC 2 HD was 702 and those 700 series HD channels are no longer valid. My change happened in summer when many of my season passes were on hiatus which made changing them difficult. Now we are in a new season so making the changes is a snap. Not sure if it is different for non-Roamio boxes.) For simplicity, I will use channel 2 in each example.

    Go to your Season Pass Manager and start with pass number one. Click on it and then on upcoming. You will see your original HD passes on **2 listed but you will also see future airings on 2. Click on one and then on Season Pass options then on Get Another Season Pass. ( I never saw this option before then so I don't know if it was added as part of this change or is unique to Roamio Pro which I had only had a few months before my lineup change in June.

    Now scroll to Channel: where you can scroll left or right to Channel 2 and click on it. It will show the same recording options you set for your original season pass. Click on Record Season Pass with these options.

    Don't make any other changes yet, just go to your next season pass and go through the same steps above until you have added new Season Passes for all your old **2, **3, etc.

    When you are done, you will have passes for all your shows in the exact same order as the original passes. Go back to Pass number 1 and begin deleting all the **2 passes. Along the way you will still have other old Season Passes that don't need to change. You have to decide if you want to individually move those passes to maintain your list offer.

    With the new 4 and 6 tuner Roamios, that is not very important. All I do now is list shows on at the same time with once a week shows always above shows that have multiple weekly airings. AND THEN...

    Now I wish more than ever that I had FIOS in my neighborhood.

    That comment has been made and repeated several times right here and I am certain I have also said that before. Now I say, "Be careful what you wish for."

    Yesterday was and today is SUPPOSED TO BE MY LAST DAY WITH TW Over the summer, Verizon wired my 84 unit Co-Op for FIOS and the installers were here yesterday and the entire day was a total nightmare. It is too long a story to tell now, but the first thing I told them was that I did not want them to cut any of my TW cables or equipment.

    The very first thing they did was to cut my TW cable. When I reacted they said they wanted to use the same hole and would I have wanted them to drill another hole in my wall. I said YES, Sherlock Holmes couldn't find that hole.

    After hours of fumbling around, they could not get FIOS to work and finally decided both the cable cards they had were defective. They never even brought any cable cards with them and even had the audacity to say almost nobody even uses them even though they are a necessity, not an option for we Tivo people.

    I had them repair the TW connection and drill another hole, but, IMHO all these cable companies are crooks. TW will never do anything to make it easy to leave and neither will Verizon. Every one hour show I recorded last night is only 48 minutes long because it skips audio and video throughout the show. Same if watching live and I can not even watch TV right now. They promised to return today with new cable cards, but it is now 4:30PM and I left the installer a message on his cell phone over an hour ago.

    What struck me about seeing these complaints is that having the new channel lineup only since June losing it is making my decision to go with FIOS harder. The FIOS HD channels are 502, 503, 504 etc. I am going to HATE that. Calm down, you will all soon love the TW channel changes.
     
  7. Oct 9, 2014 #6147 of 6277
    Teeps

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    How many people in your building have had fios successfully installed?

    If you're one of the first, your experience is to be expected. Always is for me, every time I early adopt a service or device.
    I lived early adoption of hardware, software and services when I was working, it was no fun. As "they" expected you to do your regular work, whilst debugging the new stuff... glad I'm retired.
     
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    I ran Guided Setup on my S3 yesterday and it hung at "Preparing" for over 3 hours, so i got tired of waiting and disconnected the TA and within about 30 minutes it connected, loaded info, and completed. The TA has been causing connection problems on my S3 for about a month but i've found that disconnecting it before connecting to the service greatly speeds things up.
     
  9. ej42137

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    Are you basing this on anything other than supposition? I ask because testing without a tuning adapter active doesn't seem to have any effect for me other than killing the SDV channels. All channels that are HD remain in HD with no tuning adapter.
     
  10. nooneuknow

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    When the TA is connected, it takes over the mapping responsibilities, in-full, not just SDV. When the USB link is disconnected, the Cablecard will refresh the mapping tables, reassert control, and resume tuning all non-SDV channels in the mappings (as long as it still has coax feed access).

    Contrary to what even I used to think, the TA is in control of all channels, when connected and operational. I'm not saying the cablecard does nothing when the TA is operational and connected, just that it takes a back seat, and the TA does the driving, and has nearly all the control, over what we would usually associate with the cablecard's roles.

    If the industry, FCC, and cablelabs would have been thinking ahead, I would think that TAs could nearly eliminate the barriers to true on-demand access, PPV, and interactive TV, by creating a true bidirectional link to the cablecard itself. Unfortunately, bidirectional operation of cablecards in retail devices was forbidden at conception. That was a bigger mistake than many call cablecard, TAs, and the whole kludge it became.
     
  11. Tivo II Jack

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    May very well have been the very first. They were in the lobby beginning Oct 1 to sign people up and my install date was for the first available on line a week later on Oct 8. Early on a guy showed up to do some prep work which included loud drilling. (Not through my wall) An hour or so later I heard the exact same drilling noise and looked outside. Turns out it must have been the same prep work being done on the Apt. below me.

    First or not, first only means first in this building, these installers have been installing FIOS in other areas for YEARS. The second installer who finished the job yesterday seemed more proficient, but I wasn't impressed by any of them.
     
  12. Teeps

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    Well, there you go!
     
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    When I checked my S3 this afternoon, 1500 hrs., much to my delight, TiVo had switched over all (OTA) network season passes to the new lineup!!!

    Now only have about 50 to do manually...
     
  14. randywalters

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    Are you in Southern California (LA or OC) area? Those are my new locals here in El Segundo as of yesterday. But even when they were 402 through 413 we've been watching them on ch 2 through 13 instead and they're still on 2 through 13 (and they're all in HD).

    When we watch on our Cisco DVRs when we switch between the high number and low number the picture doesn't blink and the buffer is preserved. Same thing with some friends in other nearby cities, they've been needlessly using 402-413 and now 1200-1215, but i had them try 2-13 and they're mirrored just like mine are.

    But when i switch between say ch 2 and 1209 (or formerly between 2 and 402) on my Tivos the buffer starts over so it acts differently than the TWC DVRs. But the buffer behavior on the TWC DVRs tells me they're simply mirrored on the low and high numbers.

    Try tuning your Tivo to plain old ch 2 through 13 and see if they're mirrors of 1200 - 1215.
     
  15. 59er

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    The whole point of the channel rebuild is to get channel 2 back on channel 2, without needing a special HD channel number like 402.
     
  16. randywalters

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    I don't think that's the reason - we've been watching the HD locals on 2 - 13 for a long time, even though they were also mirrored on 402 - 413 so the only thing that changed is now they're mirrored on 1200 - 1215 instead.

    While i was on the phone with TWC CableCard Support a few days ago trying to get a few dozen missing channels re-authorized (both Tivos were missing the same exact channels after the lineup change) i asked why they're reorganizing the lineup and the gal said she thinks they're standardizing the digital channels nationwide. That may be true because a few friends and relatives in other cites have been having me help them find their new channels online and i noticed that they're the same as mine now, where before they were wildly different than my lineup, and also different than one another depending on their city. Maybe they're trying to mimick DirecTV which has the same channel lineup nationwide.
     
  17. Teeps

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    Interesting.
    I don't watch live tv so I was unaware of this mirroring.

    Last night I was checking the non ota network season passes and found that a couple of them* when checking in view up coming episodes, the channel shown was the new lineup. Even though the SP channel was the old assignment.

    * Discovery, Food so far.

    At this point my BP is back down, as TiVo has recorded F1 and hopefully MotoGp this weekend.
     
  18. randywalters

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    We don't watch live either - we record ch 2-13 on the TWC Ciscos in her den and in my man-room. On my Tivos i use the antenna for the locals as the PQ is a little better, but my S3 and new Premiere both tune and record cable ch 2-13 if i want.


    Nice, a fellow F1 fan ! I watch pretty much all the other road racing series' too :)
     
  19. Tivo II Jack

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    I am now in my 2nd full day of having FiOS and I am already to have them come in take it all away before I am even a full week into my free month trial. If the internet is faster, it is not NOTICEABLY faster.

    I had much better video with TW and email is a total horror show. I can download mail but I haven't been able to send a single email since FiOS was installed. FiOS SUCKS!
     
  20. Greywacke99

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    Any post-weekend updates?

    I am still dealing with a mostly mismatched TWC/Tivo lineup, but have been able to shift some of the network SPs to low channel nos. that are matched up and have accurate guide data. Tried re-running guided setup to get old lineup back, but the "what station do you get on channel XX questions" are frustrating b/c I don't know w/o actually tuning them in, which you can't do during GS...too bad TiVo doesn't pass the channel video through on these screens like when testing channel strength.

    Will just have to muddle through until Fri. when TWC is supposed to flip the switch down here.
     

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