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Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by krkaufman, Aug 6, 2018.
Try it on an old boat anchor IPAD2...LOL
Of course anyone who gets accepted can't discuss fight club the app here. Shame, I would have like to see what folks were thinking about it when they get it.
Yeah barely. I have to keep reconnecting to my Tivo Box, downloads are pretty much a laughing matter at this point. Other than logo update I have not seen useful update in 3 years now.
Well downloads lately are terrible even at home. If I can barely get download working after multiple attempts at home, I don't even bother trying to get it downloaded remotely.
Well maybe @TiVo_Ted could give us some love and provide small update to the community. If new app is coming and it will work on Apple TV, Amazon Fire Stick then I just might decided to upgrade to Tivo Bolt and use Tivo App with those other devices.
I had no idea there was so much hatred for the app.
I use it on iPhone, iPad almost daily and it works fine. I may have to reconnect every few weeks.
Downloads are slow (15mins for an hour show, approx) and it is annoying to have to keep the app open but that’s my biggest complaint.
Up until a few months ago I’d download an hour show to watch at the gym 3-4 days a week and it worked perfectly.
The biggest issue I've always had with the app is that streaming is wholly unreliable, even under ideal network conditions. Worse, if streaming fails when you are away from home, the app will tell you to re-setup streaming, which you can't do unless you are home.
Download speeds are atrocious as well, even accounting for slower uplink speeds from the TiVo through an ISP. I can download a full season or two of shows from Netflix or Amazon in a third of the time it takes to download one medium quality video via the TiVo app, and I don't have to keep those apps open or my phone plugged in to do it.
For me, the app has been useful only in the sense that it allows me to easily program a recording when I'm away from home.
I believe that the slowness with Tivo is that it has to convert the file for something that can be used.
Yes, I recall that being mentioned previously, and should have mentioned that as another reason I don't expect TiVo downloads to ever be able to match the speeds of Netflix or Amazon. But 15-20+ minutes for a single 1-hour show? (And that's only if the download somehow manages to complete without any interruption.) For others, that may be perfectly fine. For me, personally, that's just not generally practical.
Before Hydra it was faster, I think Hydra is pushing that processor in Tivo Roamio Plus we have so much that there is barely anything left for streaming. I want to get Tivo Bolt, but that processor is now 3 years old :-(. Hmm I think I am going to skip Bolt or Vox and hope there is another hardware refresh coming, unless I can get an amazing deal on Tivo Bolt or Vox.
Right, I just stick to streaming Amazon Prime or Netflix, and if I have to watch at the gym or on the plane I just download using those apps.
For something that has to transcode to a much lower resolution while downloading I would consider that expected/reasonable.
p.s. Current version == v3.7.9(1087645)
Amazon and Netflix have a mobile ready version of every program on their servers, ready to go. TiVo has to transocde the recording on your DVR to a mobile friendly format on the fly. Even on a high power PC 20 minutes to transcode an hour of content is pretty good. There was a time not too many years ago when simply being able to transcode to H.264 in reatime required a top of the line PC. Doing it in 1/3 realtime is actually quite the accomplishment even by today's standards.
This is another reason I think TiVo should convert to a Tablo style system where they transcode everything as it's being recorded. Very few people would notice the quality difference and it would make downloading and streaming so much better.
My point, which as I read back I can see got a bit muddled, was not that transcoding was taking longer than it should, but that download times of 15-20 minutes for a one hour show are generally not practical, especially when the TiVo app cannot consistently complete downloads of that length or more without user intervention. If I'm traveling overseas and want to take along even just a few hours of recordings for the long flight, it's just not worth the time and trouble.
FWIW, I've previously suggested to TiVo personnel that users be allowed to enable automatic transcoding for all or selected shows, much along the lines that you suggest, but so far they seem to have other priorities.
If they changed the way downloading worked they could enable background downloading so it wouldn’t be such an issue.
Actually the Roamio's CPU isn't used for the transcoding. The Roamio Plus and Pro have a built-in TiVo Stream to do the transcoding. The Stream hardware can transcode up to 4 streams simultaneously with minimal involvement from the Roamio's CPU. (The Roamio has to load the data from disk and hand it off to the Stream hardware, but that's it.) So Hydra shouldn't be any different from Encore. (I'm running Encore and it's plenty slow.)
This is why the Roamio Basic and OTA models can't stream unless you attach the (now discontinued) external TiVo Stream box.
The Bolt uses its CPU to do the transcoding (and is limited to two simultaneous streams as a result, if I remember correctly.)
Tivo_Ted mentioned in another thread that the IOS app should be updated over the weekend to 4.1. Anyone seeing this yet. Still on the old version here.
Nope. Hitting the App Store this morning (Oct1), no update for the TiVo app was offered.