Official Beta Testing Signup for new TiVo Mobile App

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  1. Aug 30, 2018 #21 of 208
    dmurphy

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    That’s sorta-kinda what I do ... I put my iPad into split-screen mode and let the TiVo app download while I do something else. Seems to work well.
     
  2. Aug 30, 2018 #22 of 208
    mattack

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    Actually, I don't think it has anything to do with the speed of the Tivo hardware -- especially since you can download shows with e.g. kmttg just fine.. and with the Tivo stream (built into the newer Tivos), you're downloading an even lower bitstream show..

    I remember paying enough attention to it, same with the streaming device not found problem, that I think the streaming device is *crashing* often. I tried a few times to send this as feedback through the Tivo site, but never got anywhere.

    I'd love to talk to someone technical at Tivo to give useful info/get logs off of my machine/etc.. Heck, I would even PAY a one time fee to get these bugs fixed.

    Also, on ONE of my Tivos (Roamio Pro), just plain bringing up the now playing *often* but not always does the "connection interrupted" (whatever it says exactly) page.. But it most often happens on WiFI, even inside my house.. So I can usually but not 100% of the time, turn off WiFi, and it will then work over cellular.. But it also fails (_slightly_ less often) on WiFi outside the house.. So somehow the WiFi-ness seems related to but not absolutely a cause of the failure (since much less often it will also fail on cellular).

    But it won't happen anywhere near as often on my P4.
     
  3. Aug 30, 2018 #23 of 208
    Dan203

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    When transferring to mobile the video is being transcoded. Transcoding is very CPU intensive. It requires special hardware in the TiVo to do the transcoding. (or an external Stream which has a special transcoding chip) The speed of the transfer is limited by the speed of that transcoding chip.

    Transferring to a PC does not transcode. It simply muxes the stream and encrptys it. The encryption process is also somewhat CPU bound, which is why each new generation of TiVo can transfer faster than the last.
     
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  4. Aug 30, 2018 #24 of 208
    mattack

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    Yes, I know. *SEPARATE HARDWARE* is doing the transcoding, as you said.. So the CPU is not involved in the same way..

    it's vaguely similar to the original Tivos, how they would live digitize the analog signal into digital, at various bit rates. The separate hardware is doing the reencoding.. not the CPU..
     
  5. Aug 31, 2018 #25 of 208
    HerronScott

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    At least on Android, the old app was working S3/HD until they stopped supporting S3/HD's online. It never worked with the new app (Android still had both versions available in Google Play but that may not have been the case with iOS.)

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  6. Sep 1, 2018 #26 of 208
    Dan203

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    But on those old TiVos the hardware only needed to encode in realtime. i.e. one hour show takes one hour to encode. With downloading we want it as fast as possible so the demands on the hardware are greater. Plus H.264 requires a LOT more computing power to encode than MPEG-2, which is what those old TiVos used.
     
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  7. Sep 1, 2018 #27 of 208
    shwru980r

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    Yes, I found it odd that there was no amazon Tivo app when Tivo was selling the VOX Tivo's, but others think that Tivo is holding back because a functional Amazon Tivo App would cut into their Tivo Mini sales. Also, Amazon is going to release their own DVR device that would integrate with the Fire TV, so Amazon may not want a competing Tivo app either.
     
  8. Sep 4, 2018 #28 of 208
    samccfl99

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    Hmmmm. I just saw this thread. Interesting. It's amazing so many people talk about IOS, since IOS devices really have a small market share when you consider the whole world. I am an Android person (programmer types usually are, I think) and can say that as usual with development, Tivo, Inc has been lacking in the Android version. The latest release is V3.2.5 came out on 11/10/2017. The resume point problem (gee, it's not only on a Tivo) is one of the worst problems. Even though the My Shows screen shows a progress bar that is not at the beginning, it sometimes (many times) starts at the beginning. It will also sometimes (many times) lose the resume point if the stream is interrupted for any reason. Also the Tivo box at home does not usually know that the resume point has changed. Also it is a PITA if you get interrupted and the stupid system tells you that you are using too many concurrent streams and you have to keep trying (there must be a time limit). I only use the app if I am out of the house (why use an app when you have a TV in front of you?). I would absolutely love if they had an option to run without the screen. You may think that is weird, but for news, if I am driving, I do not need the screen on. Also I wish there was an option to lock the screen somehow, because if I am walking around in a store and listening (again, to news), the screen is sensitive in my pocket and too much movement might hit a part of the screen that throws it out of the recording, and that really is a PITA.

    Too much to ask? I think they might hate me finding all the bugs, which I would do, only to find out that they probably won't fix them or call them Not Bugs, as Tivo, Inc sometimes does when they call bugs "feature requests".

    Oh, I do run on with a subject like this...LOL.

    Hydra interface on an app...you should see my face now, it looks like this: :rolleyes::eek::rolleyes::D
     
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  9. Sep 4, 2018 #29 of 208
    sloopjohnb

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    This isn’t the place for an iOS/Android comparison, but your statement is incorrect. A quick search shows that iOS has 45% of the market.

    Mobile OS market share in the U.S. 2018 | Statista
     
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  10. Sep 4, 2018 #30 of 208
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    He specifically referenced the whole world, not just the U.S., and in that context his statement is entirely accurate, as a quick search would show.

    Mobile Operating System Market Share Worldwide

    Global mobile OS market share

    Now, one can certainly dig deeper into the numbers, and especially the underlying demographics, to spin the number against or in favor various ideas. For example, one might argue that a the market share for iOS is substantially higher than the global average among owners of certain high-end electronics. Or much higher for Android among (to use Sam's term) 'programmer types,' ... or whatever.
     
  11. Sep 4, 2018 #31 of 208
    morac

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    You need to compare areas where the TiVo app will be used, which at this point is basically the U.S. and the UK, so the mobile share numbers will skew closer to the US data than the global data.
     
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  12. Sep 4, 2018 #32 of 208
    Dan203

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    Since TiVo only works in US and Canada world wide stats don't really apply do they?
     
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  13. Sep 4, 2018 #33 of 208
    Dan203

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    They don't make a UK TiVo any more. I think there is a DBS service over there that uses TiVo under the hood, but I'm pretty sure they have their own app.
     
  14. Sep 4, 2018 #34 of 208
    Megamind

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    No argument here. I was only pointing out that @sloopjohnb was using U.S. statistics to refute a claim that specifically referenced the world at large. And if you read my entire post, I specifically stated the the market share for iOS users was likely to be higher among 'owners of certain high-end electronics.' That would surely include TiVo, Sonos, and many more devices.
     
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  15. Sep 4, 2018 #35 of 208
    Megamind

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    True, but if you're going to refute a claim, at least make that argument rather than using apples and oranges statistics. You'll have to forgive my stubbornness on this point; we are a family of mathematicians and statisticians. :)
     
  16. Sep 5, 2018 #36 of 208
    samccfl99

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    Funny, no one is commenting on my critique of the functions of the app itself...

    I do have an Ipad2 on my couch, but don't use it much. Sometimes to search, but my phone is like 10 times faster...and 10 times smaller. The Android app has always been lacking in comparison to the IOS app.

    Seems like they closed the Beta testing already. Oh well...LOL
     
  17. Sep 5, 2018 #37 of 208
    jkudlacz

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    Well not sure it really matters. If 90% of Tivo's are in US then Android and iOS should be equally supported. Either way, I just want Tivo to create an App that works on Any Android device so that I can update the hardware instead of waiting for next Tivo hardware refresh which tends to be more expensive and more limited. I had older Tivo Mini gen. 1 in my daughter's bedroom but because she was mostly using it to stream Netflix I decided to get Amazon Fire Stick for $29 (Amazon had a sale). I hope new Tivo App will work on Amazon Fire Stick, this will probably convince me to upgrade our Master Bedroom Tivo Mini gen. 2 instead of going with Tivo Vox Mini. Netflix and Amazon Prime apps are suffering on those old Tivo Mini's, super slow, unresponsive just a horrible user experience.
     
  18. Sep 5, 2018 #38 of 208
    jkudlacz

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    What is Virgin TV using? The Virgin TV V6 Box
     
  19. Sep 5, 2018 #39 of 208
    jkudlacz

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    Can anyone with Tivo Bolt tell me how fast their downloads take using Tivo iOS app or Tivo Android app for that matter? This will tell us if hardware is the issue, and this is just for Home streaming. If I want to take any shows on the road with us I don't even bother with Tivo App, years back it used to be faster but it has gotten slower and less reliable over the years.
     
  20. Sep 5, 2018 #40 of 208
    jkudlacz

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    I still use iOS app to schedule recording of certain events, soccer games etc., but it does not always connect, sometimes it takes few attempt to get it working, it is hot mess. App needs a refresh badly for few years now. If we can get Skip, Quick Mode and maybe faster downloads then it would be a significant improvement that Tivo could easily monetize when offering their service to Cable Companies.
     

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