Obscure characters in TV shows

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  1. Jul 25, 2011 #41 of 130
    Steveknj

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    Really, is typing Wesley Crusher from ST (whatever), kills the inside joke?
     
  2. Jul 25, 2011 #42 of 130
    LoadStar

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    Ok, it wasn't an "inside joke" because it wasn't really a joke, per se.

    Even if I had said "Wesley Crusher from ST:TNG," I would have still had to spend time explaining who Wesley Crusher was as a character for the reference to make sense. Even after all that explaining, if you didn't watch TNG, your reaction almost certainly would be to mentally shrug and move on, because while you then would have understood *why* I referenced the character in the way I did, it still wouldn't mean much to you because you didn't watch TNG and didn't know or care who Wesley was until I made the reference.
     
  3. Jul 25, 2011 #43 of 130
    markz

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    Great, I hadn't even posted in this thread, and now I have been lumped in as an arrogant, ugly American! Thanks a lot! Generalize much?

    What am I supposed to do to redeem myself? Go through and post links to all the references other people are making?
     
  4. Jul 25, 2011 #44 of 130
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    I think you're missing the point. If you had put Wesley Crusher from ST:TNG, then at least I would have know it was a Star Trek reference, not cared and moved on. Now if it had been a reference about something I really cared about, then, either I'd have known about it, or, I would have googled it.

    I guess it's not a big deal, only I see this all the time, and sometimes it goes on for pages and pages. I feel like I'm supposed to know this and it's an obvious comparison. I think sometimes we are such fans of a topic that it gets lost that others aren't.

    So, is it a big deal to just reference the character with the show (s)he's in?
     
  5. Jul 27, 2011 #45 of 130
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    How is that different from not knowing who the reference is about, not caring and moving on?

    Really - if you have to explain it, it's not funny. It's not always a character from a show. Asking everybody to put in references to anything they mention that it outside of the strict topic being discussed is ridiculous.

    References like the one mentioned in the OP are what pop culture is all about. If you don't understand it, look it up or ask. If you don't care, move on.
     
  6. Jul 27, 2011 #46 of 130
    markz

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    I was watching Eureka last night, and someone there made a reference to another sci-fi show. They didn't mention what show, but just referenced the character. Then I realized just how much that happens. They don't tell you what they are referencing.

    Then there are phrases we will have to change:

    "No sh*t, (Arthur Conan Doyle's fictional detective) Sherlock (Holmes)!"
    "Nice move (famous theoretical physicist, Albert) Einstein!"

    The list goes on and on. Where do we draw the line?
     
  7. Jul 27, 2011 #47 of 130
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    That's a bit confusing... if someone makes a reference and you don't know what they're talking about, just google it - I do that pretty often. I select, right-click, and click "Search Google".
     
  8. Jul 27, 2011 #48 of 130
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    What about when people refer to a character in a show by the name of a previous character the same actor played in a different show?

    I know I've done this---for example, in the Torchwood thread, something bad happened to the character Agent Peterfield (played by actress Dichen Lachman). I said "Poor Sierra!", referring to a character that Lachman played on Dollhouse...
     
  9. Jul 27, 2011 #49 of 130
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    Takes time to search Google, takes VERY LITTLE time to type in 10-15 characters with the show the character is from. I still don't get how putting the name of the show next to the character kills the joke?
     
  10. Jul 27, 2011 #50 of 130
    Steveknj

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    This isn't a TV show, this is friendly discussion. And, I was not asking to do this with characters everyone knows. In your example above, I wouldn't expect to have to do this for Sherlock Holmes or Albert Einstein. Those are pop culture or historical characters we all know. Notice the thread, OBSCURE characters. I wouldn't expect you to put the show name in for Captain Kirk, or Ross and Rachel or Jerry Seinfeld and George Costanza. But from those same shows, I'd expect it for a character from Star Trek that appears in an episode or two that Trekkies would know but non Trekkies wouldn't. Or for Friends, explain that the Hanukah Armadillo was described in Friends, or, what show The Drake was from. Then let the post reader decide if it's worth his time to look up something from a show he never watches, instead of feeling that he's "missing" something.

    I guess I'm outvoted on this....typing a few extra characters so that some posters will have a better understanding of what you are trying to say is just too much to ask for I guess.

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  11. Jul 27, 2011 #51 of 130
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    OK, so if they mention the show and you don't recognize the show, then what? Should they list details about the show as well?

    "Wesley Crusher (character on Star Trek: The Next Generation, a sci-fi show set in the same fictional universe as the original Star Trek TV show (and subsequent movies), both created by Gene Roddenberry. On Star Trek: The Next Generation, Wesley Crusher would oftentimes...)"
     
  12. Jul 27, 2011 #52 of 130
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    For me, Wesley Crusher isn't an obscure character. Star Trek: TNG was hugely popular for many years, spawning multiple movies, and Wesley was on the show for multiple seasons (and in one or more of the movies).
     
  13. Jul 27, 2011 #53 of 130
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    No, a simple Wesely Crusher on Star Trek: TNG is sufficient. Since I don't watch the show, I can decide, do I want to spend time Googling the reference or not? By just typing Wesley Crusher, my first thought was...am I missing some character on the show I'm watching? Am I missing something I'm not privvy to? At least knowing what show the reference comes from, gives me some idea what the poster is talking about. It really gets old after awhile having to Google a lot of obscure references.

    The Dennis Miller example mentioned was perfect. After awhile, he turned off so many viewers with his obscure references that viewers tuned HIM out.
     
  14. Jul 27, 2011 #54 of 130
    Steveknj

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    Here's the test to me anyway....if you ask 10 people who don't watch the show who the character is, and less than half can tell you, then it's obscure. Bet you ask 10 non-Trekkies who Capt. Kirk is and 9 can tell you.

    But at this point, I'm just smashing my head against the wall.

    Carry on.
     
  15. Jul 27, 2011 #55 of 130
    BrettStah

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    That sort of makes sense... the key would be to know when that's needed. Based on what you've said, it would unnecessary to say "Star Trek's Captain Kirk" or "Star Trek's Mr. Spock", but what about "Star Trek:TNG's Captain Picard", or "Star Trek:TNG's Mr. Worf"?
     
  16. Jul 27, 2011 #56 of 130
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    What about if you asked 10 people who are participating in the current thread (not this thread, but the Eureka thread)?
     
  17. Jul 27, 2011 #57 of 130
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    There ya go- it speaks to knowing your audience and phrasing to suit. One would expect the Eureka crowd to know- a quilting club not so much.

    I freaking google everything.
    It there was a contest as to who googled the most I am certain this household would win.
    It is the single greatest improvement in quality of life that I have seen during my lifetime and IMO anyone who isn't in the habit of using it freely is missing out.
    Habit.

    Annotations and links attached to every sentence would be ridiculous and render snide comments and inside jokes extinct and we can't have that.
     
  19. Jul 27, 2011 #59 of 130
    danterner

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    I had to google that, and I'm not sure I get the reference. What do small furry-footed humanoids that live in a shire have to do with this?
     
  20. Jul 27, 2011 #60 of 130
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    Who said EVERY sentence? Who said links or annotations. I think you're blowing this completely out of proportion. Man, I expected blowback, but some of this is a little crazy. You'd think I asked you to put in a paragraph about each character!!!

    Maybe in a thread about Eureka, it's not a stretch to think most people would know a character from another SciFi show, but I've seen the same type of thing in shows that have nothing in common with the character referenced. So, again, you think mentioning the show's name kills the inside joke? Does it do that anymore than if someone in the thread asks what you are talking about and someone else types in the WHOLE reference and what it means? We've all seen that too.
     

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