Now That The D10 Satellite Is In Space, Is This The End Of The HR10?

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by boltjames, Jul 7, 2007.

  1. Jul 10, 2007 #81 of 131
    JimSpence

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    It's all human nature. The first DVR interface you use becomes the one you like the best. Any change afterwards has all kinds of issues. You started with Replay so TiVo isn't very good. Your first DVR is TiVo so now the non-DVR is awful. I suspect that cable DVRs are better if you've never seen anything else before. Same goes if you were a dish customer and went with DirecTV and visa versa.
     
  2. Jul 10, 2007 #82 of 131
    gio1269

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    Very good point for 75+% of users.
     
  3. Jul 10, 2007 #83 of 131
    Sir_winealot

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    I dunno....I think we're probably talking more like 83%+ of users.






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  4. Jul 10, 2007 #84 of 131
    gtadell

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    I am long time Tivo user. My mother in law still uses my original Series 1 Tivo with a lifetime contract.

    I would prefer to use my HR10-250 for some time to come but I am intrigued by having more channels in HD. I may look into adding and HR 20 and new dish sometime this year.

    However, I am most concerned about NFL Ticket. Does anyone know if I will need the new box and dish to watch all the NFL ticket channels this Fall?
     
  5. Jul 10, 2007 #85 of 131
    RS4

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    No, they will broadcast NFLST one more season in mpeg2.
     
  6. Jul 11, 2007 #86 of 131
    gquiring

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    I guess my eyes is something you missed, now I wonder if you maybe miss green screens, short recordings and audio dropouts also. And the HR10 is slow. Two neighbors and several co-workers have HR10's and we all experience the same issues. There are also plenty of 6.x complaints on this forum which make we wonder about you folks that claim they are flawless. I wonder why D* released so many versions of 6.x if they were 'flawless' :confused:
     
  7. Jul 11, 2007 #87 of 131
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  8. Jul 11, 2007 #88 of 131
    Marino13

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    No, I didn't miss it. I was just having fun with the way you worded the sentence. How many times does it have to be said that the majority of posts on these boards are from people having problems with their units. The HR10-250 owners who are not having problems are probably not posting because everything is fine. Obviously I have no idea on how many HR10-250's are having problems. Sure I had the missed recordings back in the winter and there where the FOX audio dropouts but since 6.3c my boxes are operating fine. I have no short recordings, no audio dropouts, no green screens and no reboot problems. Heck, my OTA works great 45 miles from St. Louis with my antenna in the attic above my daughters bedroom.

    So when I see someone REPEATEDLY crabbing about the performance of their HR10-250 I make sure that the people that read these threads understand that their are those of us without problems. Why don't you call D* and have them send you a HR20 if you are so unhappy? I have three units that work fine. I definitely do not need anyone claiming I am not honest about their performance. That is just silly. If my HR10-250's did not work fine I would have thrown them away a long time ago. I believe you that you and your friends are having issues, however there are plenty of us that are not having issues. I also have no idea why D* released the bad versions of 6.3x. There were obvious issues. My point is that my 6.3d software on THREE different boxes throughout my home works fine. Therefore I find it necessary to defend their reliablility when a broad statement is made about their problems.
     
  9. Jul 11, 2007 #89 of 131
    bidger

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    In that case, you'd want to use a smilie, like ;) or :), let the person you're responding to know you're just joshing with them.

    I have no problem with what you say and I think it's a realistic attitude, so maybe we can get away from the notion that TiVo is flawless and adopt the more realistic attitude that it's a quality DVR platform that, just like every other electronic device, can experience glitches from time-to-time.

    And re your last statement I bolded, maybe that can be taken into account when HR20 users defend their DVRs here.
     
  10. Jul 11, 2007 #90 of 131
    Citivas

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    I own both now, but will keep my surviving 10-250 until ANY of the following happen (ranked in order of probability):

    1. It finally dies. This is the most likely in my opinion, given that in my 8 years of ownership experience all DVR's eventually do.

    2. DirecTV finally puts up enough HD channels, and specifically ones I care about, that makes it compelling. No reason to do this sooner than it actually happens though. The bird going up makes it probable (though I still recall the Hubble Telescope so I won't be counting chickens until they are broadcasting), but as to exactly when and what, I'll wait and see...

    3. I finally give up on DirecTV and go with another service provider...

    4. DirecTV makes it incompatible to receive ANY service (future card releases, etc.)

    5. DirecTV sufficiently improves the HR20 so that I no longer prefer the 10-250. I have no inherent loyalty to the TiVo. Give me a UI that is as stable (for me) as mine 10-250, as easy to use the live program navigation keys and with a reliable remote and I'm there... Not holding my breath. They may improve future hardware, but I don't see them sending me an improved remote for my existing box any time soon...

    6. DirecTV's new ownership by Liberty Media leads to new TiVo development and I get to trade it in for a new TiVo instead of the HR20. Not likely but not impossible either...
     
  11. Jul 11, 2007 #91 of 131
    bonscott87

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    This is not directed at you Marino, but it's funny how when a statement like this is made about DBSTalk in relation to the HR20 forums that it's all lies. ;)
     
  12. Jul 11, 2007 #92 of 131
    Sir_winealot

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    Really? Are there a lot of liars on DBS or something?




    :p
     
  13. Jul 11, 2007 #93 of 131
    stevel

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    FWIW, my HR10 has been trouble-free since I got it a year and a half ago.
     
  14. Jul 11, 2007 #94 of 131
    JimSpence

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    All forums suffer from the same affliction. Only those with problem equipment post them. If everyone with no problems posted (would they even look for help?) the forums would probably be swamped.

    This is true for any equipment support forum.
     
  15. Jul 20, 2007 #95 of 131
    timb2112

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    I had an HR10-250 for 2+ years. It's now for sale on eBay. I was fearful of making the switch after reading all the posts on this forum. I am now very happy I did. The HR20 UI isn't as pretty or user friendly, but the unit basically does the same thing. One of the small things I like is the Native Resolution feature so I don't have to constantly change scanning rates when switching between HD and SD channels. OTA reception is better as well. My wife can even use it and that says a lot.



    Call retention. Here is the deal I got:

    Free HR20
    Free Dish
    Free Install

    Free HD Package for one year
    $10 credit each month for next 12 months

    My cost: $19.95 Handling
     
  16. Jul 21, 2007 #96 of 131
    RS4

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    This is endorsement that timb2112 made is so typical of a lot of Tivo users. Is this a glowing endoresement? No, they are few and far between. And that's why Tivo users thinking about an alternative need to read the other forums and look at the alternatives.
     
  17. Jul 22, 2007 #97 of 131
    timb2112

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    You fail to mention the HR20 is the ONLY alternative.
     
  18. Jul 22, 2007 #98 of 131
    bonscott87

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    EXACTLY. I'm not sure why RS4 fails to get this one simple point. Like it or not the HR20 is your only alternative if you stay with DirecTV.
    That's it.
    That simple.

    So if 4 out of 5 Tivo users still prefer the Tivo interface over the HR20, in what universe does it matter?
    It doesn't.
    RS4 likes to make a big deal about this as "proof" of how DirectTV screwed us all.
    Ok, great, DirecTV screwed us all.
    So why are you still with DirecTV then is all I ask?

    RS4 simply has an axe to grind because DirecTV wronged him so much. He keeps talking about how much DirecTV doesn't care about it's users, blah, blah, blah. Ok, then leave please so we can get on with it with the only alternative out there. You're almost sounding like Vurbano Jr. (those from other forums will get that joke). :D

    I mean, would I have liked an MPEG4 Tivo for DirecTV? I'm sure I would have as we all would. But there isn't one and there isn't going to be one. If you want to say that is something bad against the HR20 then go ahead.

    But I went into the HR20 with an open mind that Tivo wasn't the only game in town, mainly because I knew there was no choice. Why kill myself with constant "this isn't Tivo" tirades in my dreams. :rolleyes: And you know what? After about a month, maybe 2 I really came to like the HR20 interface and UI. I know it took me a few weeks when I got my first Tivo to figure out all the little ins and outs. After a few months it's like the back of my hand now with this new UI. It's all what you get used to. I go use one of my Tivo units now and I struggle because I forget how to do a certain function and say to myself "oh yea, that's how you do X on a Tivo".

    Will everyone have the same good experience as I did? Definitely not.
    Will everyone like the HR20. Certainly not.
    But to feel personally wronged like DirecTV kicked you in the groin is really taking the whole thing WAAAAY too seriously.

    So then your choices are to join up at DBSTalk and help make it better in the ways you feel it needs to improve or go find a provider that can give you what you need. That simple.
    And RS4, don't bring up the 2 yr commitment again, as I've debunked that many times for you as it's easy to get out of without paying and even Tivo has commitments.
     
  19. Jul 22, 2007 #99 of 131
    thedeak08

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    From everyone's experience, when you get the deal on the HR20 or any other receiver for that matter, do you always have to have the installer come and hook it up? I mean is there any way they can just leave it at the front door and I can hook it up myself? I don't really like installers doing it cause the past 3 times they have done it they move all my stuff around and they don't set it up the way I want it, so I have to re-do everything. Everything is already run as far as cables, and it's easy enough to just hook up the cables and plug it in.
     
  20. newsposter

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    can that be turned off? I guess it's because i have CRT but even SD looks better when it's at 1080vs 480i and there's really no difference 720 vs 1080 for HD. Other technologies i guess do need the change though.
     

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