No More National HD until 2007 !!

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by DVRaholic, Jan 12, 2006.

  1. alv

    alv New Member

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    If I were to guess with the price of the HD package decreasing, that means few if any new channels. I take it as a sign the rumours are true.
     
  2. taj2

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    Title to this post needs to be changed!! I have seen no substantial proof from any of the posts that DTV is not rolling out any National HD channels. In fact, when I spoke to someone in retention last week she stated that customers could expect very aggressive rollout of HD. She indicated they never comment on launch of channels until they are ready to roll-out because contract negotiations, etc. I am going to be optimistic and expect to see some more HD channels by the end of Q1.
     
  3. dswallow

    dswallow Save the ModeratŠ¾r TCF Club

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    You weren't suspicious that the CSR said (a) DirecTV never comments on upcoming channels and (b) to expect upcoming channels soon? :)
     
  4. jdk

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    I guess the nay-sayers (like me) were wrong - CD USA-HD is now on Ch 101.
     
  5. taj2

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    It wasn't that I took her word as gospel but I certainly have not read any previous posts under this topic that also lead me to believe that thier won't be any new HD until 2007!

    The CSR never said there would be new HD in 2006 but indicated aggressive roll-out. Perhaps she is only referring to local HD roll-out.

    dswallow, you seem to have a lot of optimism regarding DTV and I am just jumping on the bandwagon.....you seem to post reasonable things and so I figure there are worse people to follow.
     
  6. dswallow

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    Funny, I think I'm rather pessimistic about it. I'm willing to wait and see mostly because it's not like there's an alternative available to me right now that's better. I will cut back my subscription if there's a price increase, though. Just to make a point. I could even live with over-the-air only, if necessary, though I have to keep my DirecTV account around at a minimal level to keep the DVR's working for that. But I don't need to stay at the top tier of programming. I've just chosen to, preferring to have access to everything when I want it.

    I'm not very hopeful the new HD DVR will be a good thing. But I don't see it making much difference to me for quite some time -- OTA is more important than any HD cable channel, and the HD cable channels I consider important will be around in MPEG2 for a while longer. So there's time to give DirecTV the benefit of the doubt and to wait until there's a real product from which to form an opinion. And in the worst case, I need one MPEG4 HD DVR for the HD cable channels that aren't in MPEG2 -- a minimum number; OTA being just more important in that regard for my viewing needs.

    The sky isn't falling; but there's not a lot of obvious positives taking place right now.
     
  7. jdk

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    I'm of the same mindset as you Doug. But in the internet world, posing a evenhanded assesement of a situation is so rare to see, it makes you a fanboy and cheerleader. Let me echo my similar sentiments, and see if it marks me too:

    I'm not happy with recent trends at DirecTV, but two platitudes definitely apply:

    1. As you said, "The sky isn't falling". I'm getting the same programming and using the same, perfectly functioning DVR I was yesterday, and will continue to do so for the forseable future. There's already too much on my Tivo (in HD even!) to watch per week, so I'm in no drastic need of any new programming to fill my unavailable extra time.

    Sure, there's things coming down the pipes from DirecTV that I might not like: NDS DVR, MPEG4 big dish, leases... but they key words are "coming down the pipes". Once/if these things come to pass, I'll consdier them then. But for now, there's TV to watch.


    2. "The grass isn't greener." We all love to ***** and moan (especially in the Internet space) about how "my provider" (DirecTV on this board) is - but take an objective look at your options. For me, there's no compelling reason to switch today as everyone else is offering basically the same thing - each with some minor plusses and minuses that all add up to the same.

    And still taking this high-level, objective look - isn't it interesting that once you add up every provider's service, price and programming, you get basically the same thing? To me that points to the wonder and efficency of a competetive market. Sure, we'd all love to get 100 HD channels through a 20 tuner, 2TB DVR for $10/month total and no upfront costs... but through a variety of technological, economic and competetive reasons - that ain't gonna happen today, regardless of how much we whine about it.

    In closing, if today or any time in the future, you take an objective look (drop the "I hate DirecTV" mentality) and note a good reason to switch provicers- I have one sincere piece of advice: Do.

    'Cuz even if you think I'm a DirecTV cheerleader or fanboy - the minute I'm offered a compelling combination of better service and price from another provider, I'm going to take my own advice and switch in a heartbeat.
     
  8. TyroneShoes

    TyroneShoes HD evangelist

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    This is the one thing I can't agree with from your terrific post. The vendors are all about the same, yes, but only if you take Tivo out of the mix. There is no compelling reason to switch, but only because the obvious current leader has announced that they will drop back into the pack by doing exactly that...taking Tivo out of the mix.

    Why is DTV the obvious leader, at least right now? Tivo is the one superlative that DTV has, IMO, and I am more than a little perplexed that they are shooting themselves in the foot by booting Tivo out the door. I have owned 9 different PVRs in the last 7 years from 4 different vendors, and only Tivo was significantly more stable and user-friendly than the rest. According to the forums, the ones I didn't own either didn't measure up either, went promptly belly up, or a little of both. Call me a pessimist, but I am not expecting that Tivo level of quality from NDS only because no one else has ever matched that level of quality to date. But then I hope they surprise the hell out of me.

    First of all, its all about content. If a vendor can't deliver your favorite channels or programs, they're off the list. Once the content is about the same, and the service and the cost is about the same, its all about access to the content. That's what Tivo has always done far better than anyone else. DTV just leveled the playing field, and not in their favor.
     
  9. jdk

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    Please note they keyword "today" in my statement.

    DVR service is an important part of my overall criteria.

    Today, there's only one HD Tivo out there... guess which DVR & provider I have? (and one big reason why I don't have Comcast today, even though I can save some money with bundled internet service)
     
  10. aaronwt

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    A $2 increase for me isn't bad. Total choice with locals is going up $3 while the HD pack is going down $1 so only a net increase of $2. The increases take effect on March 1st.
     
  11. rmassey

    rmassey Damn, these are fun!

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    Well, I called retention today to cancel HD. I mentioned that D* is really slow bringing new HD content (compared to Dish) to market. The rep immediately offered me free HD for 3 months, so looks like I'll stick around for a while. At least it's worth what I pay for it.....

    Rep told me six new HD channels soon and 100 by end of the year. Yeah right. Whatever, They know they are slackin' and freely offer discounts and freebies when customers call 'em on it.

    I also dropped down to TC from TC+ to lower my bill to the lowest service I can and keep my commitment, in protest to the March increase. Looking at the additional 20 channels offered in TC+, I honestly don't watch any of them. I think my kids might miss Toons and Boomerang for a few days and then adjust. Life goes on....

    It's pretty sad that the lowest I can get my bill down to is $53 ($56 in March = TC + Mir+ DVR) with two Tivos on my account.

    Bring on the Tivo Series 3 and FREE OTA HD. :)
     
  12. AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

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    Wow... you don't get it:

    a) The CSR's know nothing.
    b) Don't post what a CSR says, see (a)
    c) Any new channels that are spoken about are HD locals, which only effect people in that market

    We won't see any new national HD's for quite some time. I'll bet a diet-coke on it.

    FIOS is poised to take over, if they can roll out fast enough.

    Series 3 Tivo better come out soon - I need a change, badly...
     
  13. pdawg17

    pdawg17 Here's Julia!!

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    Too bad FIOS won't be available in my area (Bay Area, Cali)...it sounds like a great change of pace...my only other choice is Comcrap around here...I said I would never go back to them but...
     
  14. GadgetFreak

    GadgetFreak New Member

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    More HD coming soon...They also pointed to a sign that said "Free Beer Tomorrow"
     
  15. formulaben

    formulaben Formula Tivo Racing

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    LOL...indeed.
     
  16. MichaelK

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    FIOS isn't going to be a viable choice for a large percentage of us anytime soon. It will take years before any one telco can wire all their customers with fiber. Some haven't even committed to doing anything towards that end and NONE of them will commit to doing all their customers.

    I'll dream for telco fiber, but in the mean time I'm with you- TiVo cant get the series 3 done fast enough for me.
     

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