No More National HD until 2007 !!

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by DVRaholic, Jan 12, 2006.

  1. Fluffybear

    Fluffybear New Member

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    It always amazes me how a RUMOR can so easily be taken as OFFICIAL WORD and cause such a panic.

    Let's see if I can add some more fuel (fun) to this rumor mill.

    My wife works for Immigrationand recently cleared Steve Jobs & Rupert Murdoch back into the USA from an Ice Fishing Trip in Canada and she was told that Apple has an agreement to purchase DirecTV in 2007 and that Steve Jobs first act will be to discontinue carriage of all the Sports Channels in the 600 range and raise the price of NFL Sunday Ticket to $999 a year and that DirecTV will be releasing new DVR's in 2008 based on the Ipod..


    Until it comes out in way of a Press release from D*, it is only a rumor and needs to be taken as such..
     
  2. taj2

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    This will allow me to save $10 per month or get another movie package as thier is no point in paying for the HD package. It is a joke that DTV charges for those few channels.

    I am also very concerned that I just paid for a HD Tivo and now DTV is going to a leasing program. I hope they do an equipment swap for all of us that ponied up money - aka most likely their best and most loyal customers.

    DTV is really disappointing me ever since Rupert took over....
     
  3. dswallow

    dswallow Save the Moderatоr TCF Club

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    People keep calling the HD package overpriced. If the channels aren't worth $10.99, don't subscribe to them. If you're upset you can't have them without paying $10.99, then maybe they're worth $10.99.

    There are other packages with fewer channels that cost more. The Cinemax movie package, for one. Many of the foreign language channel packages also cost more for just a few channels.

    Before News Corp took over, DirecTV wasn't in a good place; they were doing very little; they'd just come off a lengthy period sitting around doing almost nothing for their future -- when the whole Dish Network merger was being proposed. Now, finally, they are doing quite a lot. And it just takes time for such massive changes to make it through the pipe to become services and products we can buy.
     
  4. rmassey

    rmassey Damn, these are fun!

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    Well, I'm one that does not think the HD package is worth $10.99, heck I don't even think it's worth the discounted $5.99. I plan to cancel mine this month. Movie channels are another waste of money IMO. They just don't have any compelling content and repeat the movies over and over. I don't sub to these now and have not in the past.

    What exactly are they doing that is SO good.
    - They are dropping Tivo, coming up with their own hardware/OS and dropping the 30 sec skip, etc.
    - They are adding a bunch of mpg4 HD locals in cities where I don't live, or plan to move.
    - They over compress the current HD content.
    - They add more shopping and religious channels and turn them on in my channel guide.
    - They drop comercial free Music Choice and add XM with comercials.

    Sorry, but I just don't see a lot of good going on here?
     
  5. dswallow

    dswallow Save the Moderatоr TCF Club

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    It's all point of view, isn't it?

    - They're embracing technology to enable moving video to other devices, including your PC and portable devices.
    - They're adding HD locals for the entire country; there's quite a large num,ber of people who can't get one or more of their local HD channels over the air well.
    - They're moving to new modulation and compression schemes that will enable more channels to be carried at better resolutions using less bandwidth.
    - Shopping and religious channels are income producing for DirecTV; squeezing in an occasional new SD channel like that enables them to not pass on other cost increases to subscribers.
    - They dropped Music Choice which basically is nothing more than an MP3 player in favor of XM where there's a more dynamic element to the music.

    Unfortunately the scale of many of these things is so large that it can't happen that quickly. Do you think continuing a deal with TiVo would've brought MPEG4 and 8PSK receivers any sooner? Of course, it's not just MPEG4 and 8PSK, it's a slew of interactivity, too... like it or not, DirecTV wanted those capabilities and any new TiVo receiver would've had to have them too, taking time to create.

    Before Murdoch, DirecTV was stagnating; they lost a minimum of a year of lead time by staying in the holding pattern with Dish Network. That was harmful. There's a lot changing now, we look at some of it as good and some of it as bad and most of it as taking too long. But it's better than it stagnating and nothing at all happening now and for the future, isn't it?

    For us, as subscribers, it really is becoming a more competitive marketplace. We're gaining choices. DirecTV can't just sit on their collective backside and expect to stay ahead of the game.
     
  6. taj2

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    I agree that the HD package is a matter of choice. My free trial period is set to expire and then I will cancel because it is not of value to me. I can not argue with those that feel it is worth it.

    My issues are:
    1. Recently bought HD Tivo and never received promised mail-in rebate - although it was in the mail for weeks. This is simply poor customer service.
    2. If I just bought a $300 piece of equipment that is going to be out of date in a couple of months due to HD locals and rather than getting an equipment swap I get the choice of "renting" equipment - this is complete BS. I want to know what I get for the $300 I spent 4 months ago???
    3. What is DTVs competitive advantage over cable companies now? It used to be great customer service (IMO), good technology (a la TiVo), the ability to buy equipment rather than pay $5 - 10 per month.

    The only advantage I still see is that they have NFL Sunday Ticket which is primary reason many are with DirecTV. Note I did not say ALL.
     
  7. rmassey

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    - They're embracing technology to enable moving video to other devices, including your PC and portable devices.

    Tech is great, but I personally don't see big value with portable device. Other do, I don't

    - They're adding HD locals for the entire country; there's quite a large num,ber of people who can't get one or more of their local HD channels over the air well.

    Slowly - I'm in DMA 93, it'll be the end of 07 before I see this affect me. And even then I can get it for free OTA.

    - They're moving to new modulation and compression schemes that will enable more channels to be carried at better resolutions using less bandwidth.

    Yep, I like this one, but again, it'll be '07 before they add any content that I qualify to subscribe to.

    - Shopping and religious channels are income producing for DirecTV; squeezing in an occasional new SD channel like that enables them to not pass on other cost increases to subscribers.

    That's fine, don't add them atomatically to my Ch I receive list. Don't cram them down my throat.

    - They dropped Music Choice which basically is nothing more than an MP3 player in favor of XM where there's a more dynamic element to the music.

    >>dynamic element<< Hmmm, debatable. I say not so good, which is why I just use my SqueezeBox to play my music.

    The real point is that as a consumer, *I* find less and less content and delivery methods of interest to me personally. And yes, I will eventually follow the expected advise and vote with my wallet. Heck once I can get HD locals free via OTA, and I get past my current commit, I'm pretty much done with D*, especially if the T3, LG or a similar device comes out that is a resonable alternative to D*
     
  8. dswallow

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    Ultimately that's what it comes down to.

    I'm of the mindset right now that if I had an ATSC HD dual tuner TiVo I might very well buy two of them and cancel DirecTV completely. I do get everything over the air. While there's a few shows I do watch that are on cable networks, the cable networks are also faster to DVD in general. But in any event, it becomes a viable option.

    So DirecTV's job is to find some compelling reasons for subscribers like us who might very well decide to just cancel once there are options we consider viable for our particular needs.

    I do think they've gone off in the wrong direction; but obviously DirecTV believes this is what's needed to maintain their competitive edge. We'll see.
     
  9. rmassey

    rmassey Damn, these are fun!

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    Well put Doug. I agree with your assesment. Time will tell.
     
  10. kidjay

    kidjay It's just TV

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    Doug you should come work with us....good post
     
  11. OldFantom

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    Sunday Ticket is the killer app for me. Since I am not willing to live with the forced Houston Texans Game "choice", I will be an unwilling participant in D* HD "Rollout". But you better believe that if the NFL ever decides to move their Sunday Ticket package to another provider, I will be gone in a heartbeat. As the delay in the national rollouts increase, I have given real thought to dropping everything but Sunday ticket and piggy backing cable.
     
  12. aaronwt

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    I heard a rumor that the Sunday ticket price is going up to $999 next year! :D

    But seriously. Even though they don't offer alot of HD I still like it better than only OTA HD. I have no desire to go back to just time Shifting OTA HD. I was doing that in 2001 and while it was great at the time it isn't enough for me anymore. I do feel I get my moneys worth from the HD package, what I don't watch much is Showtime HD and HBO HD. That is the only reason I pay for those premium channels yet I watch more Discovery HD, , Universal HD, HDNet, and HDNet movies than the premium HD channels.
     
  13. AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

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    DirecTV used to differentiate themselves from cable by doing things differently.

    Cable caught up, and passed DirecTV in programming and HD content.

    DirecTV is responding by not quite matching cable (e.g. HD loocals, but only 4), and removing some differentiators (e.g. Tivo), and not adding any new differentiators.

    And they still have the big wiring negative for many people (home runs, 4 cables from dish).

    So they've fallen behind, and they're doing nothing to differentiate any more. They're just playing catch up, and their target isn't even to match cable, just get close.

    Lame.

    2007 before we see another national HD isn't surprising. Probably around the same time the MP4 DVR will be released.
     
  14. Mark W

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    OK, so I read a few pages of the referenced thread over on the other site, and I see nobody saying anything about no more national HD until 2007. Am I missing information? If not, can someone please change the title of this thread!
     
  15. formulaben

    formulaben Formula Tivo Racing

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    That's a good theory, but the problem is that as a DirecTV customer, there is no alternative. If I want any HD package besides DirecTV's, I pretty much have to throw the baby out with the bath water. The HD package is married to the SD package. As a DirecTV customer, I really have no choice; it's D*'s HD package or nothing. Sure, you're right; I can just say no, but I'm not saying no to HD, I'm saying no to DirecTV. That's the crux and that's why we consider it overpriced. THERE IS NO CHOICE, except to say goodbye to DirecTV.
     
  16. rpfotog

    rpfotog Film & Video Geek

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    They can embrace all they want, but Hollywood isn't going to allow this to happen without a huge fight. There have been USB and FireWire ports on DVR hardware for years but so far they've been completely crippled. In order to get your content off your TiVo and onto another device you have to jump through some serious hoops or settle for low quality. I'd love for this to change but I just don't see it happening soon.

    I would LOVE to be able to plug my iPod into the TiVo and copy programs for travel. I know that there's a huge culture of thieves who get all of their software, music and video from Bit Torrent and the like, but I'm not one of them. I just want to be able to pay for my content and then put it on any of my devices. I don't want to pay DirecTV for the right to watch Lost and then pay the iTunes store for the right to watch it again on my iPod. That kind of BS forces regular people like me to learn how to be a criminal.

    Rp
     
  17. dswallow

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    Dish Network has the PocketDish already: http://portables.about.com/b/a/210602.htm

    I haven't heard of anybody suing over it yet.

    You also pretty freely are calling people criminals; there's no precedent to do that. If someone can receive a television show over the air free, or does subscribe to the channel it's on via cable or satellite, there is not yet any precedent saying they cannot download it to watch it themselves, or even much indication that the networks care about it happening.
     
  18. rpfotog

    rpfotog Film & Video Geek

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    Good point.

    Uuuuh, yeah there is. I didn't say that _everyone_ is stealing content, but I know dozens of people who are, and they're completely impervious to any suggestion that it's wrong. I literally know herds of people who steal everything from Photoshop and Office to their entire music and video collections. They burn CDs and DVDs and share software without ever considering that someone isn't getting compensated when they do that. I know there are those of us who think that most people are inclined to do the right thing when it comes to acquiring content, and I used to think this way myself, but with every passing day I get closer to the other side of the see-saw. Outrageous prices are no justification for stealing. I can't go steal an SLR McLaren just because I think it's overpriced. The difference is that most people would agree that stealing a car is bad, but many, many of those same people would think nothing of ripping off an artist by copying their music or video.

    While this is true depending on the use of the material and whether or not it's copy protected, that's not really what I was talking about. Virtually everything you watch on television, the internet or devices like the iPod and PocketDish is copyrighted material, and as such its distribution and rebroadcast is completely protected by federal copyright laws, the World Intellectual Property Organization and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Circumventing copy protection and/or rebroadcasting or redistributing ANY copyrighted content makes you a law breaker. That's not the same as moving a show from your DVR to your laptop so you can watch it somewhere else.

    These acts of digital rights management circumvention and redistribution over peer to peer networks is what Hollywood is convinced it must fight. Basically, they wouldn't care if you copied their content for personal use, but they cite potential damage from its illegal redistribution as being more important than the rights and needs of those of us who don't steal. And I must say, we as a collective consuming public aren't doing much to cause them to think otherwise. I don't dig Hollywood, but I also wouldn't dig not getting paid for my creative work.

    Jeez this is off topic for this thread, isn't it. Sorry. I think this is a fascinating topic and I like reading about it. Doug, I want to say that I have total respect for your level-headed, thoughtful insight. You're a great example for the rest of us.

    best--

    Rob Parker
     
  19. AbMagFab

    AbMagFab What happened, TiVo?

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    Only 344 days until we get new HD channels on DirecTV...
     
  20. mssturgeon

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    My guess is 10 more days.

    National Geographic is launching an HD channel this month. National Geographic is owned by (ultimately) Rupert Murdoch ... who also happens to own DirecTV. It does not make sense that he would pour money into launching an HD network with no plans to carry it on his own satellites.

    Common sense says DirecTV will announce carriage of this channel in early February, if not before. There's even space on either side of Discovery HD Theater (ch. 75 or 77) ;-).

    Disclaimer: All just a guess on my part. Not based on any insider information.

    Cheers,

    - Shane
     

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