No local HD channels with HR10-250

Discussion in 'DirecTV TiVo Powered PVRs & Receivers' started by brigoody, Jan 16, 2007.

  1. brigoody

    brigoody New Member

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    Need some help, please. I signed on with directv about 6 months ago, and had a 5LNB and H20 installed to go along with my standalone Tivo. I soon discovered that this receiver and Tivo did not work well together, so I bought a used HR10-250 on ebay.

    I just connected my HR10-250 tonight and noticed that I am no longer receiving my local HD channels. I called customer service and they said that this model requires me to use an OTA. Is this true? Do I now have to buy an OTA? I'm not even sure I am within range of my local stations. If this is the case, is there a way I can get west coast feed HD channels? I don't want to spend anymore money if at all possible. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
     
  2. phox_mulder

    phox_mulder I get paid 2watch TV

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    If you can get them OTA, they'll look much better than getting them from DirecTV.

    Go here, http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx
    and plug in your address to see how far you are, and what antenna you'll need.


    phox
     
  3. brigoody

    brigoody New Member

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    Phox,

    I checked out that link, but I'm still confused. Two of the loal channels I was receiving in San Diego (8, 10) are in a red color, my local KNBC 39 is not listed, but KNBC 4 Los Angeles is, which is a blue color. My local FOX (6) is a violet color unless I use the FOx 11 in Los Angeles, then it is another blue color. What am I looking at as far as OTA? Will it be expensive, and is it easy to install?
    Thanks,
    Brian
     
  4. TomF

    TomF TiVo: 1999; HD: 2001

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    brigoody, I'm in San Diego on a ridge in Rancho Penasquitos, east of Black Mountain Rd. on Penasquitos Canyon. I can get KGTV, KFMB and usually XETV. Where are you? It sounds like you're farther north in North County, or Northern Coastal.

    You might want to take a look at My Antenna Installation Page. It was written more than five years ago. It should give you a lot of basic information about HD OTA in San Diego. The antenna and the rotator are now mounted on the chimney. Let me know if you have any questions after you take a look at my web page.
     
  5. brigoody

    brigoody New Member

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    TomF,

    You are right, I am farther north in La Costa. I appreciate your info and photos on your web page, but it sounds like it is going to be a pain installing it, and expensive buying all the necessary equipment to recieve these local channels. Do you know how much this might cost including install? I am new to all of this and I'm not real sure the wife wants more big equipment sticking up or hanging from the roof (I don't have an attic).
    Thanks,
    Brian
     
  6. JimSpence

    JimSpence Just hangin'

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    brigoody:
    Since it seems that your locals are available from DirecTV (MPEG4), then you might want to consider replacing the H20 with the HR20.

    Let the HR20 bashing begin. :)
     
  7. tvl76

    tvl76 CUBS WIN !

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    You could try an antenna from Radio Shack, start with something simple and cheap, if it works then great, otherwise return it within 30 days for a full refund or exchange for something else to try. You just might luck out with something that works for little money and effort.
     
  8. austinsho

    austinsho A repeated victim of Time Warner DBA Spectrum

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    With no disrespect intended, I would never encourage anyone to purchase/get/steal/in any way obtain an HR20 until D* gets the software on that beast right. My HR10 continues to soldier on, my HR20 sits in a closet due to multiple lockups. There's much more on this, brigoody, over at DBSTalk.com .
     
  9. solsurfer

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    Can someone confirm that DirecTV has indeed stopped broadcasting the local high def channels for San Diego in MPEG2 and they are only available in MPEG4? They are still in MPEG2 in LA, and I thought this was a satellite level change so I'm surprised they would change just a few miles south.
     
  10. Jon J

    Jon J Curmudgeon TCF Club

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    Unless I'm badly mistaken, only NY and LA HD locals have ever been transmitted in MPEG2. All other HD locals are MPEG4. The NY and LA HD locals are national beams and are receivable under certain circumstances out of market.
     
  11. solsurfer

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    Hmm. I know MPEG4 is a recent phenomenon. Are you saying they simply didn't offer local HD until after they rolled-out MPEG4 last year?

    Have you heard any success stories of people petitioning to get the LA local feed enabled?
     
  12. brigoody

    brigoody New Member

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    I looked again at your installation page and I'm not sure why you weren't receiving three channels from Mt. San Miguel. I actually checked the link antennaweb and it doesn't even offer me these three channels. Does that mean I cannot get KNSB unless it comes from LA? If that is the case, then I would need a rotator for my antenna, right? Or, is it possible to just get all the LA channels instead?
    KGTV 10 ABC SAN DIEGO CA 167° 18.4 10
    KGTV-DT 10.1 ABC SAN DIEGO CA 167° 18.4 25
    KFMB 8 CBS SAN DIEGO CA 167° 18.5 8
    KFMB-DT 8.1 CBS SAN DIEGO CA 167° 18.5 55
    K67AM 67 PBS LA JOLLA CA 172° 18.0 67
    K35DG 35 IND LA JOLLA CA 167° 18.3 35
    KPBS 15 PBS SAN DIEGO CA 134° 33.5 15
    KVCR 24 PBS SAN BERNARDINO CA 345° 59.5 24
    KRCA 62 IND RIVERSIDE CA 316° 89.7 62
    KXLA 44 IND RANCHO PALOS VERDES CA 316° 90.6 44
    KSCI 18 IND LONG BEACH CA 316° 89.7 18
    KOCE 50 PBS HUNTINGTON BEACH CA 316° 90.5 50
    KDOC 56 IND ANAHEIM CA 316° 90.6 56
    KVEA 52 TEL CORONA CA 316° 89.7 52
    KTBN 40 TBN SANTA ANA CA 316° 90.3 40
    KTLA 5 CW LOS ANGELES CA 316° 90.6 5
    KWHY 22 IND LOS ANGELES CA 316° 90.6 22
    KNBC 4 NBC LOS ANGELES CA 316° 90.5 4
    KCAL 9 IND LOS ANGELES CA 316° 90.7 9
    KCBS 2 CBS LOS ANGELES CA 316° 91.1 2
    KTTV 11 FOX LOS ANGELES CA 316° 90.4 11
    KMEX 34 UNI LOS ANGELES CA 316° 90.5 34
    KLCS 58 PBS LOS ANGELES CA 316° 90.3 58
    KCET 28 PBS LOS ANGELES CA 316° 90.3 28
    KCOP 13 MNT LOS ANGELES CA 316° 90.7 13
    KFTR 46 TFA LOS ANGELES CA 316° 90.6 46
    KAZA 54 AZA AVALON CA 316° 90.6 54
    KABC 7 ABC LOS ANGELES CA 316° 90.6 7
    XETV 6 FOX TIJUANA MX 151° 43.
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  13. Billy66

    Billy66 Again with shoelaces

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    Sell the HR10 and get an HR20. You'll receive the content you desire. The Hr20 replaced my HR10 almost right away. Some have had troubles with it. Big troubles, but there has been an aggressive approach to correcting them. The above poster's unit in the closet might benefit from taking one of them.

    In any case, you have to decide. OTA antenna, or different DVR.
     
  14. Jon J

    Jon J Curmudgeon TCF Club

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    Except for NY and LA, yes.
     
  15. solsurfer

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    I had the HR20 for 2 days and forced DTV to give me a real tivo. Just curious why a HR20 owner would be hanging out in the TivoCommunity? Are there hacks and stuff like that for that box here?
     
  16. Billy66

    Billy66 Again with shoelaces

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    I hang out here because I've been around for a while and I want to stay in touch with what's available now and going forward. I still have a Dtivo unit in service.

    It's not just for the "TiVo is the greatest of all time" crowd is it?

    I would technically still qualify even if it were. ;)
     
  17. bigpuma

    bigpuma Well-Known Member

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    Billy already answered but I also use an HR20 and I hang out here because I have had DirecTivos since 2003. Also I still have an R10 DirecTivo as well and I know a lot about them. Frankly there are things I like better about the HR20 but I also hesitate about reccomending the it only because I have had about 6 programs not record since October. Also I would prefer it if the HR20 had dual live buffers and a true 30 second skip. That said if the OP is like me and can't receive HD locals OTA than I would reccomend at least trying the HR20.
     
  18. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Done.

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    Here is a quick cheatsheet.

    NY and LA HD locals are available in MPEG2. Only reason is for DNS (those not served by a network). Note they are also in MPEG4.
    ALL other HD locals and HD RSNs are in MPEG4 and on the new KA sats.

    Thus to get HD locals you need an H20 or HR20 as they are the only MPEG4 capable receivers (as well as a 5 LNB dish).
    Only excpetion again is if you get locals from NY or LA, but that will change soon enough because.....

    ALL new HD will be in MPEG4 on the KA sats.
    All current MPEG2 HD will be shut down at some point and moved over to MPEG4 on the KA sats. Timeline? Perhaps a couple years.

    And as I always say....this has been the plan for 3 years now.
     
  19. brigoody

    brigoody New Member

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    So it sounds like I need an OTA or an HR20. Since I just bought the HR10-250 I am going to go with the OTA. Does anybody have any recommendations that will pick up the channels I posted earlier? Should I go with an indoor/outdoor? I live in a one story house, no attic. Your comments are appreciated.

    brigoody
     
  20. Billy66

    Billy66 Again with shoelaces

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    You should check out the hd section of avsforum, they are a great source of info for what people are actually doing in your city.
     

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