No Live Guide in Hydra/gen4 UI

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  1. Oct 27, 2017 #21 of 208
    samccfl99

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    Where has it been said it was confirmed? The Live Guide is just one of the many reasons that I went to Tivo in 2012 (but mainly for the fact that Comcast would not allow external storage before 2013 or 2014 in many areas). Was sick of that stupid grid guide on cable boxes and DVR's for decades, since cable was invented...

    As for the "feature" (they think bugs are feature requests) request form, there Used to be people looking at those (I know personally), but who knows these days...
     
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  2. Oct 27, 2017 #22 of 208
    PSU_Sudzi

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    Ted from TiVo posted it today or late yesterday in one of the Hydra threads.
     
  3. Oct 27, 2017 #23 of 208
    stini777

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    Just a thought on this...when I use the Live Guide, it's mainly to find the time something airs on a particular network...IE: I know The Walking Dead is on Sunday nights on AMC, but I'm not sure what time the new episode airs. The voice command on the new remote would remedy this by simply saying "Find The Walking Dead" (or something to that effect) and then choosing the new episode from the list that would appear. Perhaps the voice command would go even further...maybe if you say "what's on AMC tonight" it will produce a list?
     
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  4. Oct 27, 2017 #24 of 208
    thyname

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    I am a TiVo Live Guide exclusively. Getting rid of it with Hydra is a deal breaker!
     
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  5. Oct 27, 2017 #25 of 208
    humbb

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    I don't believe that's true. Unless he's posted something since, all he said was: "We have not yet implemented Live Guide in the gen4 experience. I’m looking into what our plans are there and will come back with an answer."
     
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  6. Oct 27, 2017 #26 of 208
    TiVo_Ted

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    I have confirmed that the prior TiVo Live Guide is not in the gen4/Hydra UI. Yes, we do have data on how many people use each type of guide, and that went into the decision to prioritize the Grid Guide first. And, we have been hearing from testing and usability that there are certain scenarios where the Live Guide is super useful.

    Our designers are looking into whether we can integrate some of the live guide functionality into the grid guide so that we have a single, advanced guide that can do both. This is one of the reasons why we decided to make the new experience an optional upgrade. If lack of a Live Guide is a deal breaker, you can choose to stay on the current release. We won't have a good handle on when guide enhancements might be available, but I can tell you that this is a major issue and that we are listening.

    I also stated in another thread that we see gen4 as a UI that will continue to evolve, and we'll probably be doing quarterly updates until we get through the teething pains. We may even do a small release in the next 4-6 weeks to patch some of the small issues we will no doubt discover as we roll out VOX and gen4 in larger volumes.
     
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  7. Oct 27, 2017 #27 of 208
    TiVo_Ted

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    As of now, I have not been able to get any of the SPS codes to work. However, the -> advance button now works as 30-second skip by default.
     
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  8. Oct 27, 2017 #28 of 208
    UCLABB

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    It’s not that long ago that we had the discussion of live versus grid guide. I concluded that that the grid guide is best for surfers, those just searching around for something that interests them to watch. The live guide is best for someone who is looking for a particular program to see when it is on and to possibly record it.
     
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  9. Oct 27, 2017 #29 of 208
    sfhub

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    Just to be clear, the SPS codes should be entered while playing back a show rather than in LiveTV, at least that is how they worked more reliably in the previous UI.
     
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  10. Oct 27, 2017 #30 of 208
    UCLABB

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    Well, there’s another deal killer. No quick disappearing progress bar, no clock and elapsed time? No Hydra for me.

    Thank for the info, Ted, even if it wasn’t something I wanted to hear.
     
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  11. Oct 27, 2017 #31 of 208
    osu1991

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    I don't care for the Live guide for daily use. I do like it on the ipad app when I want to see a whole day or weeks schedule on one channel
     
  12. Oct 27, 2017 #32 of 208
    chrishicks

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    I'm the exact opposite of this as a Live Guide user. I will start on HBO for example(the first pay channel in my list of channels) and I will scroll down the channel list looking for random movies I might want to record because I can cover 12 or so hours per channel with a single push of a button. If I see a movie I want to see I just move over to it and hit record. Using the Grid takes so much longer to browse which is why I always hated Cable/Sat provided DVRs in comparison.
     
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  13. Oct 27, 2017 #33 of 208
    krkaufman

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    I took @TiVo_Ted's "yet" simply as "it isn't included in the product launching on the 29th"; his comment that he would check on plans inferred, to me, that he didn't have any idea if Live Guide was even on the gen4 roadmap.

    YMMV, obviously.
     
  14. Oct 27, 2017 #34 of 208
    reneg

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    Perhaps you'd be willing to share what you and your team consider other major issues with Hydra? I think a lot of folks here would appreciate feedback that other "dealbreakers" will eventually make their way into a future Hydra release.
     
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  15. Oct 27, 2017 #35 of 208
    thyname

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    Thanks for chiming in on this. It is encouraging to learn that you consider this a "major issue" and that you "are listening".

    Other than functionality, it is also a matter of visual preference. Life Guide is one of the things that distinguishes TiVo from all other DVRs out there. Just my two cents.
     
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  16. Oct 27, 2017 #36 of 208
    Nickipedia

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    I agree, seeing what's coming up quickly and easily is the best part of the Live Guide. The next 8 shows show up (from 4 to 16 hours). The grid guide shows the next 2 hours, only. And if the show's title doesn't fit in the tiny space, it's cut off. It's like using an Excel spreadsheet for listings.
     
  17. Oct 27, 2017 #37 of 208
    krkaufman

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    And was quoted in the post to which the poster was replying.

    Glad to see @TiVo_Ted has already returned with the promised add'l info.
     
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  18. Oct 27, 2017 #38 of 208
    TonyD79

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    You aren't the opposite. You are exactly what UCLABB said. You are looking for specific programming. Surfing is seeing what is on NOW and changing channels to watch it.
     
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  19. Oct 27, 2017 #39 of 208
    TonyD79

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    Unique does not mean better. Grid guides have flourished for a reason.
     
  20. Oct 27, 2017 #40 of 208
    sharkster

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    What? no Tivo clock either? dammit. What is new and good about taking away choices? I hope this isn't forced. You buy the equipment. You pay for the service. I don't get why you can't continue to have features that have proven to work and be popular. The guide thing pisses me off quite a bit but I'm not sure that not being abl to use the Tivo clock doesn't piss me off even more.

    leave the stuff that works alone and fix the stuff that doesn't!! good grief.
     
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