No improvement to "find programs" in years

Discussion in 'TiVo Series3 HDTV DVRs' started by Newbie, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. Videodrome

    Videodrome tivo - please wait..

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    Replaytv had this down pat, really tivo hasnt improved at all.
     
  2. janry

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    This. If it would filter out movies below a user defined star rating, I'd be in heaven.
     
  3. RangerOne

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    When I first saw this thread, I wasn't going to read it until I had the following experience:

    The other day I had a pleasent surprise with Tivo's find program functionality. I was in the Tivo beta search function on my series3 and did a search for "Sons of Anarchy". It's not currently being broadcast within the next 2 weeks,but it showed up as a purchase option on Amazon. I thought to myself, wouldn't it be great if I could create a Wishlist search right from here. I then looked at the screen again and surprise! There was an optioin to add it as a Wishlist search. Nice enhancment. It will be nice when the Tivo Search beta is no longer a beta.
     
  4. jrtroo

    jrtroo Chill- its just TV

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    yuck. I have no trust in someone else's star ratings being of interest to me. My history of season passes, wishlists, and recorded programs is a better match for things I want to see. Suggestions work great for me, and this filter then seems redundant.
     
  5. janry

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    I trust them enough that I'd love to filter out anything below 2 1/2 stars. Anything they've judged that low has always been a waste of my time when I've tried to watch them.

    And hey, it could be an optional filter so those with low standards could continue to watch 1 and 2 star movies. Even those movies must have an audience.
     
  6. orangeboy

    orangeboy yes, I AM orangeboy!

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    AFI's 100 Years, 100 Movies Guru Guide: http://www3.tivo.com/tivo-tco/mix/info.do?mixId=tivo:mx.1199321
     
  7. lrhorer

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    My point, exactly. On that list of "best" movies, I count no fewer than thirty-one I would list with zero or at most one star. While I admit a number of what I would consider the top 100 movies of all time are there, there are quite a few that are not, including at least two on my list of ten best.
     
  8. lrhorer

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    Yes, Replay TV's conflict resolution was much better. Consider two things:

    1. Replay TV went bankrupt.
    2. Any patents owned by Replay TV may not be available to TiVo.
     
  9. lrhorer

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    "They" who? Which critic or which pole? Ask ten different critics and you are liable to get ten different ratings.

    Hello? Earth to Janry? Has it really escaped you that the top ranked movies by critics often have the lowest box office, and vice-versa? Lots of movies with five star rankings never got watched by anyone *BUT* the critics, and many blockbusters get poor, even dismal ratings.
     
  10. janry

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    Does it matter who they are? Not to me. Try re-reading the part where I said "I trust them enough that I'd love to filter out anything below 2 1/2 stars. Anything they've judged that low has always been a waste of my time when I've tried to watch them." Obviously, your mileage may vary and you don't have to use the option should they ever come out with it.


    Well, us above earth don't necessarily watch movies based upon their box office success. :rolleyes:

    Seriously, there have been a lot of great movies that aren't successful at the box office and there have been a lot of box office successes that suck. Again, YMMV.

    Maybe TiVo will come up with a rating based upon how well movies do at the box office for folks like you.
     
  11. Videodrome

    Videodrome tivo - please wait..

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    That point holds water like a strainer. Can i mention to you blueray vs HD, or beta vs vhs. Sony ATrac... Replay didnt go bankrupt it was purchased by dish, and they decided not to further production, they just wanted the patents.
     
  12. E94Allen

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    Made me wonder why TiVo didn't buy Replay's patents after all? TiVo could have gotten it before the Dish did.
     
  13. BrettStah

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    Some people prefer watching movies on channels that don't edit and/or add in commercials. Personally, I just don't bother with movies that air on any channel that edits them and adds commercial breaks.
     
  14. lrhorer

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    Try re-reading what I wrote. Critic A will rate a film as a 1 star, while critic B will rate it as a 5 star. Which do you follow?

    I never do. It is equally as ridiculous a metric as following some critic.

    There are also lots of movies that had both rave critical acclaim and huge box office that suck, as well as lots of movies that were rated poorly and watched by very few that rank among the best films ever made. I never watch any film because someone else has liked it, no matter who or how many, nor do I ever eschew watching a film because someone else does not like it. I do sometimes listen to other people (not just critics) concerning their opinion of a film, and sometimes I may in part base my decision to see the film or not upon that feedback, but I never see a film because someone else likes it or skip it because someone else dislikes it. Instead, I evaluate the film's potential based upon *WHY* they like it or dislike it. As often as not, I will see a film the other people dislike or skip one they love.

    That is just as idiotic an idea as filtering based upon ratings. I like or dislike a film because I like or dislike the film - no other reason. Attempting to predict whether I will like a film or not based upon someone else's opinion of it is an exercise in futility, not to mention a really good way to include lots of lousy films in the recording list and exclude lots of great films.
     
  15. lrhorer

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    I tend to agree, but that doesn't require a filter in any of the search fields, and it is already implemented. Simply remove the channel from the "Channels I Receive" list.
     
  16. lrhorer

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    You might want to check your facts a bit before you post next time. SONIC BLUE purchased Replay TV in 2001. SONIC BLUE was then sued into bankruptcy for copyright infringement by the television networks. They filed Chapter 11 Bankruptcy in March 2003. SONIC BLUE sold their assets to D&M holdings of Japan. It was D&M Holdings that decided to halt production of the hardware. In 2007, 2 years after D&M had announced it would cease production and sales of the unit, they sold most of the assets of Replay TV, which by that time consisted of little other than the patents, to DirecTV, not Dish Networks.

    So, Replay DID go bankrupt, and the fact TiVo does not hold the patents DOES mean they will be prohibited from incorporating them into their units, unless they cough up enough dough to appease the patent holder.

    How the Beta / VHS or BluRay / HD DVD wars relate to the issue escapes me completely.
     
  17. lrhorer

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    Dish didn't. DirecTV did.

    You are assuming TiVo did not bid for the assets. They may well have done so, and lost to DirecTV. That, or maybe they just couldn't afford it. They also may have been skittish at the notion of picking up a set of patents (for a good chunk of change) that bankrupted a previous owner.
     
  18. janry

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    It's a guideline, not an absolute and the star ratings in the guide data are not from critic A or critic B alone. It is a composite of several critics.


    Well, you are the one that brought the subject of box office success up.

    I don't know about you, but I have hundreds of movies to chose from at anytime.

    I'd just as soon filter out the ones that have low ratings to reduce what I have to pick from. I'd rather be watching the movies than looking at a bunch of trash in the guide data.
     
  19. BrettStah

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    There are some channels that play edited movies that I won't watch, but also play TV shows, sporting events, and/or other content that I may watch. Removing the channel from the "Channels I Receive" list is not a good solution, in other words.
     
  20. lrhorer

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    I don't know that's the case, at all. I suspect the same person who writes the plot synopsis (and often does a lousy job) is the one who sets the star rating. Even if not, however, the fact it might be a consensus makes it no more valid. My personal tastes are not governed by a popularity contest.

    Making the star rating part of a selection filter converts it into an absolute. If one filters on star ratings, then no film that fails to meet the criteria will be selected.

    OK, yes, but in the context of rebutting your statement, "And hey, it could be an optional filter so those with low standards could continue to watch 1 and 2 star movies. Even those movies must have an audience." The point was sometimes poorly rated movies have huge audiences, in direct contrast to your implication. It was neither an endorsement nor an aspersion against movies that draw large audiences.

    I have a couple of thousand on the server, ready at my fingertips, almost all recorded originally by one or the other of my TiVos. Many were critically acclaimed. Many were critically reviled. A fair percentage were blockbusters. Quite a few did so poorly at the box office as to lose money. There are representatives form each group in my list of 100 best movies.

    I agree heartily with the second statement. Indeed, it is the most important function of the TiVo. Employing the metric in the first sentence is an extremely poor means to the end expressed in the second.
     

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