No HDHomeRun Prime 6 This Year

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  1. Bigg

    Bigg Cord Cutter

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    It's sad that all the copy flag BS got pushed into CableCard, and that several cable companies abuse the copy flagging, and don't push back against channels that do use it. Of course you still need the encryption coming into the CableCard itself to work.

    CableCard is pretty much dead at this point, since QAM and the concept of linear TV itself are both dying.
     
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  2. tazzmission

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    Glad I have fios right now. It looks like only fox channels have the flag set and not the local fox which is the only fox channel I want to record anyway.


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  3. Bigg

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    They can't legally set it on local channels. Cable companies can abuse it on cable channels, as it is designed to only be for premiums, which I believe is how Comcast does it.
     
  4. gary.buhrmaster

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    Actually, according to some communications lawyers, there is a section of the FCC regulations that indicates they probably could be, if the cable companie is paying retransmission consent fees (and for most channels that most people care about they are). However, tracking which OTA channels are under what current contract, given that the OTAs are otherwise FTA, is likely not worth the effort (which will also require lawyer time to get the formal finding) until/unless the various efforts to split the OTAs as part of the basic basic subscription package takes hold. The wonderful part regarding FCC regs is that there are so many regs with slightly different priorities and interpretations.
     
  5. Bigg

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    Interesting interpretation. Not sure what incentive the channels would have though, considering that the same feed is available with no DRM at all OTA.
     
  6. gary.buhrmaster

    gary.buhrmaster Active Member

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    Well, cable company, not the broadcasters, but perhaps to ensure that people cannot obtain TV without paying (while it is less common these days (at least for the majors), it used to be quite common that people could get "free" basic TV with their paid cable Internet service (some were even so proud of their getting away with larceny they posted to social media under their real names) because the channel(s) were sent in clear QAM (not even a CableCARD required), or were able to share content to their 100 closest friends (sharing their service)). Realistically it (copy protecting the OTAs) is more trouble than it is worth as long as every TV subscription must include the OTAs per most local franchise agreements (should that requirement change (and lots of people want to unbundle the OTAs to eliminate having to pay for the broadcasters retransmission consent fees when they *can* get an OTA signal), who knows).
     
  7. Bigg

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    You're conflating copy flag with encrypted QAM. Comcast and others have fully encrypted, but only use copy flags when they are absolutely required by contract (a few premium channels do). We were talking about copy flags. There is no good reason to put copy flags on local channels. Encrypting QAM made sense when cable companies actually made money on basic cable, I would argue that it makes no sense today since they're not really making money on basic cable so there's no harm in letting people "steal" them. When Comcast went all-encrypted, what really irritated me is that they didn't leave a single QAM in the clear. They should have left QVC or one of the Jesus channels, as it would help a lot for troubleshooting CableCard devices.
     
  8. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I have an older HD HomeRun Prime 3 I haven’t used in years. Maybe I should sell it since it's an appreciating asset.
     

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