No Disney+ App?

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by jakryk, Nov 12, 2019.

  1. Apr 2, 2021 #121 of 132
    Sam Ray

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    People are blaming Tivo for that. I am trying to make the point that it is Disney's responsibility.

    The death of the DVR platform is not relevant here for all of us that have Tivo devices that use CableCards. And here is where an authoritive source is helpful; something like Federal Communications Commission FCC 20-124 (PDF). It is very confusing. Page 8 says We agree and further find that competitive market forces should incentivize cable operators to continue to support retail CableCARD devices. Page 9 says we expect that cable operators will make every effort to retain subscribers by continuing to support retail CableCARD devices, even in the absence of the CableCARD support rules. So it is not accurate to say they will stop supporting CableCARDs.

    It is not a matter of what I like. I am just saying that when someone says something it really helps to provide something authoritive that people can use to ensure that what is said is accurate. Look at the discussion CableCard coming to an end FCC 20-124 | TiVoCommunity Forum. It is 11 pages and very much is speculation about what will happen when support of CableCards will end. Yet all the speculation about dropping support of CableCards is not accurate and creates rumors. I am saying that people should make more of an effort to be accurate.
     
  2. Apr 2, 2021 #122 of 132
    Dan203

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    It's TiVos fault because they haven't updated their apps platform to something more relevant that developers want to support. I looked into submitting an app to TiVo once. Even talked to their app liaison. Their process for getting an app on the TiVo platform is complex and requires a lot of direct interaction with TiVo personnel. If they had upgraded to a more relevant platform, like Android TV, or even just made it easier for developers to self submit apps/upgrades, more developers might be willing to support their platform.

    There are already reports of people being refused CableCARDs or even support for the ones they have when they stop working. Sure cable companies will probably keep supporting the ones in the field for the foreseeable future, because why would they alienate a paying customer, but already we're starting to see signs of them refusing to install new ones or techs that simply don't know how because they were never trained to do it.

    Sorry but I'm not going to dig through 10 years of threads to gather links to show you that HME is dead and that TiVo uses HMTL based apps now. It's all here if you want to go looking for it. But there are millions of posts on this forum and I'm not going to try and dig through them to find the relevant information for you.

    Also you dug up this thread and quoted a post I made a year and a half ago. Why? Why exactly did you target me, in 3 different threads, if all you claim to want is "something authoritative"? I think the fact that I said this a year and a half ago and there is still no Disney+ app pretty much proves I was right, doesn't it?
     
  3. Apr 2, 2021 #123 of 132
    HerronScott

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    Yes, our older S3 OLED Tivo's lost a number of HME apps that TiVo hosted when they retired their HME infrastructure (TiVo Search went away in 2015 for example - I can't recall if the Netflix and Amazon client were HME apps but I thought they were).

    Scott
     
  4. Apr 2, 2021 #124 of 132
    dbpaddler

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    One.... Disney, HBO and the like have zero incentive to make an app for an ancient platform with minimal subscribers in comparison to Android, Apple, Roku, Samsung and so on. Tivo could have updated their platform ages ago. Tivo could have done a lot of things ages ago to keep the platform relevant. How about that Android app so you wouldn't need a Mini? And so many already don't use their tivo dvr for streaming. So you don't even have a full user base that cares about streaming on their dvr. So many that won't even bother upgrading to a bolt or edge that even runs what apps it does have decently. What's the point? No Disney, HBO Max, CBS all access just to name a few.

    And as Dan pointed out, the fall has begun in some areas. Cable companies don't care about you or tivo at all. They wish you would all cancel or conform so they don't have to support you in any way, shape or form. And with the new rules, some companies in some markets are already starting to pair down their support.

    It seems like you don't read anything outside of what you think is relevant to supporting your opinion and are completely oblivious to what's been going on around you. No idea tivo is operator tier for Android tv on cable. No idea support is starting to dwindle for tivo cable customers. No idea the app platform is pretty much dead.

    Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. So many threads out there of people who have seen the writing on the wall and have moved on or asking for options in moving on because they know and have accepted it. That's why I've been saying to find an alternative and sell your hardware while it still has worth. Unless youve milked every dollar of savings out of it and just don't care.

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  5. Apr 2, 2021 #125 of 132
    Sam Ray

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    I found the discussions because I was doing what people should do, I was searching for previous answers to the question of whether Disney+ is supported. Don't take it personally; it was not personal.

    Yet there are many people asking about support of Disney+.
     
  6. Apr 2, 2021 #126 of 132
    dbpaddler

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    And what is everyone else's answer.... Get a streaming device. See... Yet again, you only read what you want to hear because you want Disney+. You ignore the answers they received from those that have accepted. Not really sure what the point do continuing the thread is. Everything you've posted has been debunked. And it has been pointed out that you won't get definitive answers from tivo because it's better to leave it ambiguous and have people like you be hopeful and stick around with some misplaced blind faith or something. I honestly don't get it.

    You can point out other people want it, but I haven't seen anyone in any other thread try and defend it anywhere close to the level you have. What disconnect is in your head that you feel the need to cling to the idea that it can happen when not one person agrees with you, and people smarter than me have pointed out why?

    I'm not taking anything personally. I'm just genuinely confused by you're willingness not to see what's been pointed out repeatedly and to just let this thread die.

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  7. Apr 2, 2021 #127 of 132
    Dan203

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    We also spent two decades asking for user profiles, the ability for multiple TiVos to do cooperative scheduling and custom folders, they still never came. Sometimes you don't get what you ask for.
     
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  9. Apr 3, 2021 #129 of 132
    krkaufman

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    Well, you’re not going to get an authoritive response, because it’s not a word.
    No, you’re not. It’s not a word.


    This reminds me of a roommate, years ago, who used to say “a mute point.” When it was pointed-out that the word (and pronunciation) is “moot,” he replied, “I don’t care.”

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    edit: p.s. to be fair to the roommate, he also said one of the more profound things spoken to me, on correcting an observation I’d made. I forget the exact circumstance, but I had remarked on seeing what I considered a beautiful valley, “wow, that’d be a nice place for a home.” To which he quickly replied, “nice place for a valley.”
     
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  10. Apr 3, 2021 #130 of 132
    humbb

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    I would suggest you put an asteriks on those comments.
     
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  11. Apr 7, 2021 #131 of 132
    cwerdna

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    I've only skimmed the chatter from Sam Ray and those who have given (to me) totally reasonable responses.

    Sam: Why bother wasting time on this? If you care about watching Disney+ on your TV, they support a ton of devices already: Disney+ Supported Devices and Platforms | Disney+. Some are real cheap (e.g. some from Amazon, Google and Roku). Even the $30 Roku Express and Express+ (from Roku) support it. Chromecast is also $30.

    Many of those platforms have an increasing user base, unlike TiVo's DVRs. So, it makes sense for Disney to support them.

    Companies need to figure out how much $ and resources they should spend to support a platform, if it all. Also, it matters how much of a user base there is in each of the international markets they're in (Disney+ - Wikipedia might reasonably accurate) or planning to expand to. How many international markets is TiVo shipping DVRs in? How about compared to some of those other platforms that Disney+ supports?

    What would be the return on investment? How many users would Disney+ gain or keep if they decided to support TiVo? How many would those lose by not supporting it? How much would it cost to support and maintain it on TiVos? How about for a new feature work or A/B testing - Wikipedia they might do on TiVos?

    I think it's a pretty good guess that at least these are shipping in many countries outside the US: Playstations, Xboxes, Apple TVs, Chromecasts.

    (FWIW, I don't subscribe to Disney+ but I could watch it here on my iPads, iPhone, Android phone, Roku 3, Chromecast, Chromecast w/remote, Roku 3 and Apple TV 4K besides my computers and Chromebook.)
     
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  12. Apr 9, 2021 #132 of 132
    TKnight206

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    As someone with a 3TB drive on an mpeg4 cable provider, I wish I could see tenths of a percent. 99% isn't nearly as useful as say 99.3%.

    31 minute HD show is less than one gigabyte. 1% of the drive is about 30GB.

    I would love to have Disney+ added. Not to use as an app, as I'll probably still resort to my Roku. But to use for searching from my TiVo even if I do hop to another device.
     

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