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No delete prompt at end of program

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#1 ·
Since Hydra, if I start watching a program while it is being recorded, pressing the TiVo button at the end of the program takes me back to the menu screen instead of asking me if I want to delete it. It seems that I only get the delete prompt if I start watching the program after the recording is complete.
 
#13 ·
Left arrow during playback in Hydra brings up your Favorites channel list. Back brings up Delete prompt.

I have yet to test the case where there is 1 minute left and the show is still recording. I would probably never run into that in a million years. But I would expect Back to be the appropriate command, not the Tivo button.
 
#23 ·
@TexasDVR, Unfortunately the old Stop command (both IR and TCP version) was removed from Hydra a long time ago. Several other commands were also deprecated, like all the discrete video modes. "Exit" (Back button) is the best we've got now, and yes, it is inconsistent depending on other nav activities you do while watching the program.
 
#24 ·
Thanks for the reply.

I have noticed that Inteset TiVo codes 00212 through 00219 were the transport controls used during playback; thus, I have thought about experimenting with the Inteset with codes; 00220, 00221, 00222, 00223, etc. But did not want to take a chance that the TiVo Bolt VOX would explode? I guess if the codes do not destroy the box, I could try them. I don't really know?
 
#25 · (Edited)
Captions on/off codes are also gone. I've done several full code searches in the past and none have ever harmed the Tivo. You can try all codes 00000-00255 which aren't on the list below (about 200 unused codes). Deprecated commands in Hydra are red, new codes are bold. Voice command will prompt you to connect a Vox remote. I haven't tested Standby in a while, so not sure if its functionality has changed.

Go slow because some codes may take a few seconds to have any effect (like Netflix). I'm not holding out much hope for anything new. My guess is if you do find anything, it's likely to be an app discrete like Netflix.

Have fun, and let us know what you find.

(For inquiring minds, the codes below are EFCs that can be manually entered on UEI remotes like the Inteset to send individual commands. They are NOT function codes or OBCs that you could use to generate pronto hex. If anybody needs those, I can post them upon request.)

00037 Stop
00056 Tivo
00062 Skip
00064 Back
00066 Voice
00084 5
00085 1
00086 7
00087 3
00088 6
00089 2
00090 8
00091 4
00116 Up
00118 Down
00120 Right
00121 Live
00122 Left
00123 Info
00133 Netflix
00149 9
00150 Guide
00151 Clear
00152 Standby
00153 0
00155 Enter/Last
00164 Zoom/Exit
00166 My Shows
00197 A[yellow]
00199 C[red]
00201 B[blue]
00203 D[green]
00212 Fast_Fwd
00213 Record
00214 Skip_Back
00215 Rewind
00216 Slow
00217 Play
00218 Skip_Fwd
00219 Pause
00229 Captions On
00233 Captions Off

00245 Thumbs Down
00246 Ch+
00247 Thumbs Up
00249 Select
00250 Ch-
 
#26 ·
Thanks for the expanded list of codes.

Yes the "standby" does work. I have it assigned to the power button. We will often watch 3-4 hours worth of shows at a time, then I place it is standby. The reason being it takes off about 5 degrees of temperature. The keymap picture is how I left it a month or two ago.

I will experiment over the next week or two, and see if any codes might be a unknown stop code LOL I will let you know if I find anything.

The "Back" button (#10) on the Inteset, did not need a code assigned it was ready to go as is. However, in trying to find a way to "stop", I have notice that in some situations that button will act as a stop during playback if you are down to the last few minutes (maybe 4 minutes?) of playback. That is: Hitting "back" while in playback and close to the end will bring up the "Keep/Delete" option window. But if you are in the middle of a one hour show and hit the "back" button it just takes you to a previous menu that you were on, which could by any screen; just as useless as the "exit" button at that point.
 
#30 ·
So far the "back" key (exit key does not) does bring up in the last 5 min or so of a recorded program the "keep/delete" choice window; so that does address about 90% of what I wanted. It is only if your are otherwise in the middle of a recorded program that you do not get the feature
And you can skip to the end if you want to get that prompt.

Scott
 
#31 ·
Yes I know, I lazy its more buttons to hit...……….so far the "back" key discovery within the last 5 min playback on a recording has indeed addressed about 95% of my complaint. The other 5% of the time guess I will live with the 47 buttons to push LOL. Sometimes the skip will work to the end, sometimes it takes fast-forward skip skip skip to get there etc.

I have not had a chance to experiment with this. It may still be a couple of weeks out, before I do.
 
#3 ·
This happens to me as well. The recording is still underway when I start watching but finished before I finish. It seems to be tied to the "if you are within 5 minutes of the end of program and hit back, prompt for delete" feature. If I let the show run to its actual end, it does prompt.
 
#6 ·
Thanks. I'm a little unclear by your post.

Are you saying that before hydra, if I had started watching a program while it was being recorded (and the recording finished while I was watching it), pressing the TiVo button at the end of the program would take me back to the menu screen? It's been long enough since the switch that I honestly can't remember but I would have sworn that pressing the TiVo button at the end of the program always gave me the option of deleting whether I started watching while it was being recorded or not. Memory can be faulty, but that's how I remember it.
 
#10 ·
I just tested it.

Test #1: started watching program #1 from the My Shows list while it was being recorded. I definitely started watching it from the My Shows list; I was not watching it Live. I let it run through the end. When it reached the end of the recording it auto prompted me to delete or keep it.

Test #2: started watching the program #2 from the My Shows list while it was being recorded. Again, I definitely started watching it from the My Shows list. This time, with 1 minute left in the recording, I pressed the TiVo button. It took me back to the menu screen. I exited out of the menu screen directly back to the recorded program (still with 1 minute left on the status bar). I pressed the Live Tv button. This took me to Live Tv. Neither button brought up the "delete or keep" prompt.

Before Hydra, I am certain that Test #2 would have brought up the "delete or keep" prompt. Again, I'm operating from memory here, and I appreciate KP's reply, but my recollection is that before Hydra, the TiVo button did not always take me to the menu. My recollection is that pressing the TiVo button at or near the end of a program brought up the "delete or keep" prompt, regardless of whether I started watching the program while it was being recorded, or whether I started watching the program after the recording was complete.

Regardless of whether my memory is accurate or not, this begs the question: if you start watching a program while it is being recorded, and finish watching that program after the recording is complete, how do you bring up the "delete or keep" prompt without sitting around waiting for the recording to run out on its own?
 
#12 ·
I just tested it.

Test #1: started watching program #1 from the My Shows list while it was being recorded. I definitely started watching it from the My Shows list; I was not watching it Live. I let it run through the end. When it reached the end of the recording it auto prompted me to delete or keep it.

Test #2: started watching the program #2 from the My Shows list while it was being recorded. Again, I definitely started watching it from the My Shows list. This time, with 1 minute left in the recording, I pressed the TiVo button. It took me back to the menu screen. I exited out of the menu screen directly back to the recorded program (still with 1 minute left on the status bar). I pressed the Live Tv button. This took me to Live Tv. Neither button brought up the "delete or keep" prompt.

Before Hydra, I am certain that Test #2 would have brought up the "delete or keep" prompt. Again, I'm operating from memory here, and I appreciate KP's reply, but my recollection is that before Hydra, the TiVo button did not always take me to the menu. My recollection is that pressing the TiVo button at or near the end of a program brought up the "delete or keep" prompt, regardless of whether I started watching the program while it was being recorded, or whether I started watching the program after the recording was complete.

Regardless of whether my memory is accurate or not, this begs the question: if you start watching a program while it is being recorded, and finish watching that program after the recording is complete, how do you bring up the "delete or keep" prompt without sitting around waiting for the recording to run out on its own?
Left arrow. Brings up Shows, and usually it will be on the show you were watching, then press clear.
 
#14 ·
I just tested it.

Test #2: started watching the program #2 from the My Shows list while it was being recorded. Again, I definitely started watching it from the My Shows list. This time, with 1 minute left in the recording, I pressed the TiVo button. It took me back to the menu screen. I exited out of the menu screen directly back to the recorded program (still with 1 minute left on the status bar). I pressed the Live Tv button. This took me to Live Tv. Neither button brought up the "delete or keep" prompt.

Before Hydra, I am certain that Test #2 would have brought up the "delete or keep" prompt. Again, I'm operating from memory here, and I appreciate KP's reply, but my recollection is that before Hydra, the TiVo button did not always take me to the menu. My recollection is that pressing the TiVo button at or near the end of a program brought up the "delete or keep" prompt, regardless of whether I started watching the program while it was being recorded, or whether I started watching the program after the recording was complete.
You are correct regarding Test #2, as I just did it on my non-Hydra unit. Pressing 'Tivo' within the last 5 minutes of a show that was still recording when I started playing it out of Now Playing - indeed resulted in a Keep-or-Delete prompt instead of going immediately back to Tivo Central. It's certainly not a feature I regularly use, but I do recall triggering it every once and a while over the past many years.
 
#15 ·
Before Hydra, I am certain that Test #2 would have brought up the "delete or keep" prompt. Again, I'm operating from memory here, and I appreciate KP's reply, but my recollection is that before Hydra, the TiVo button did not always take me to the menu. My recollection is that pressing the TiVo button at or near the end of a program brought up the "delete or keep" prompt, regardless of whether I started watching the program while it was being recorded, or whether I started watching the program after the recording was complete.
Um see my post above where I indicated that I tested this with the gen 3 UI and it worked correctly in either case? ;)

Scott
 
#16 ·
So I guess the question is whether this was intentional on TiVo's part. If it was intentional it doesn't make sense to me. It seems illogical that the TiVo button brings up the "delete or keep" prompt if I start watching the program after the recording is complete, but not bring up the prompt if I start watching the show while it is being recorded. I can't come up with an argument in favor of the differing functionality. That leads me to believe it was unintentional.

There are plenty of anti-Hydra threads, and I'm not trying to start one here, but I think this goes on the list of quirks that perhaps should have been ironed out before rollout. Whether this was a feature you used regularly (like me) or a feature you never used (like KD), the result of pressing the TiVo button at the end of a program should be consistent regardless of when you start watching the program. I guess I'll learn to adapt until they (hopefully) put out a fix.
 
#17 ·
Chad43, I agree it is a problem for me too.

With the older Premiere you were provided with a choice to either "keep" the program OR "select it (up one) for delete". It did not matter if at the end of the recording or not. That feature is no longer there, and you are left with sorts of different multiple ways to delete a recorded program (whether it is being recorded or not), I think when "stop/exit" is selected it now gives up to 5 different responses and then you have to dig around to find a way to delete it - beyond dumb and time consuming.
 
#18 ·
Huh? I hit stop at or near the end of a program, I get delete or keep on hydra.

And I never saw that in any TiVo EXCEPT at or near the end of a program.

If you are in the recording buffet and select stop recording, you get stop, stop and delete, stop and replace with bookmark and if a one pass, you get one pass options. Where are you “digging around?”

Maybe you aren’t being clear on what you are trying to do?
 
#19 ·
TonyD79, I am referring to the TiVo Bolt VOX with mira etc...…….have to dig around because I cannot get "delete" or "keep" unless at the end of a program.

It use to always be, I could get the choice of "delete" or "keep" instantly anytime I hit "stop/exit".....it was there for years AFIAK.

To be clear, you should always be able to hit "stop/exit" and that automatic response should come up - "delete" or "keep" (it was always pre-defaulted as "keep" - you could always "up one" to select "delete" - just like it is now but only at the end of the program.

Now with the mira, it will randomly present you with about 5 difference choices, and it is "never" consistent; just one of those 5 is the "one" you had mentioned. For example, sometimes "delete" may or may not be presented on the left or the right of the horizontal menu bar (never presented in the same manner), sometimes the delete option is not there at all....and then after further digging around you may or may not be present with the opportunity to actually delete it OR no choice to delete at all and thus finally you have to relocate the program from "my shows" and then hit the "clear" button regardless it is playing the recording or not; major PITA.

Keep in mind, older TiVo remotes usually did not have "stop/exit" as a part of "transport controls" (playback etc); but it was always a programable button for universal remotes. The newer Bolt VOX remote does include the "stop/exit" button; however its use now is very inconsistent when in playback of a recorded program, at least with the Mira SW.
 
#20 · (Edited)
Keep in mind, older TiVo remotes usually did not have "stop/exit" as a part of "transport controls" (playback etc); but it was always a programable button for universal remotes. The newer Bolt VOX remote does include the "stop/exit" button;
What button on the VOX Remote do you think is communicating the discrete 'Stop' command? My suspicion is that you're mistakenly assuming you're sending 'Stop'.

Have you tried the actual 'Stop' IR command using a Universal Remote?

p.s. The behavior you describe for the 'Stop' command sounds correct, in that you should be prompted for disposition of the recording when 'Stop' is sent - unlike the Back, Left arrow or Zoom/Exit buttons.

https://www.tivocommunity.com/commu...ents/tivo-remotes-compared_labeled-jpg.36684/
 
#22 ·
What button on the VOX Remote do you think is communicating the discrete 'Stop' command? My suspicion is that you're mistakenly assuming you're sending 'Stop'.

Have you tried the actual 'Stop' IR command using a Universal Remote?

p.s. The behavior you describe for the 'Stop' command sounds correct, in that you should be prompted for disposition of the recording when 'Stop' is sent - unlike the Back, Left arrow or Zoom/Exit buttons.

https://www.tivocommunity.com/commu...ents/tivo-remotes-compared_labeled-jpg.36684/
Yes, I have since discovered over the last few days, that with a universal remote with the Premiere TiVo it was issuing an actual "stop" command and presenting the "keep/delete" instantly to the screen. It did not matter where you were in the recording.

That same "stop" command, is no longer available in the TiVo Bolt VOX; as far as I can tell. Previously, I had been considering the "Exit" the equivalent to the "stop" when it playback of a recording. Even so, the "Exit" is never consistent, in what it will do in playback of a recording; hence all the digging around to find a way to delete.

Unless someone "knows" a specific stop command that can be keyed into the Intrset remote? It would be nice to just stop a recording and delete it, instead you are left with hitting a zillion buttons to do that.
 
#29 ·
The TiVo Button is the main menu button, no change required. Yes the My Shows is 00166, and is tested as such....I think I had already changed that from a month or two ago? I don't remember LOL

I just did the programming manually as indicated on the key map. I am staying away from JP1 and other stuff for now.

In a week or two I may have the chance to hunt for a "stop" if it is there? LOL Most likely not there.

So far the "back" key (exit key does not) does bring up in the last 5 min or so of a recorded program the "keep/delete" choice window; so that does address about 90% of what I wanted. It is only if your are otherwise in the middle of a recorded program that you do not get the feature.
 
#32 ·
Yes I know, I lazy its more buttons to hit...……….so far the "back" key discovery within the last 5 min playback on a recording has indeed addressed about 95% of my complaint. The other 5% of the time guess I will live with the 47 buttons to push LOL. Sometimes the skip will work to the end, sometimes it takes fast-forward skip skip skip to get there etc.
Do you have the Advance button set to 30 second scan or skip to tick? If you have it set to the former, then holding it down will take you to the end of the show and then hitting the TiVo button should bring up the keep/delete prompt? We prefer having the Advance button set to skip to tick so while playing an episode, hitting it will take you to the end of the show and then hitting the TiVo button brings up the keep/delete prompt.

Scott
 
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