New Tivo Price Plans - No More Lifetime + Responses to Summary

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  1. Mar 8, 2006 #181 of 1393
    DrStrange

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    This is actually getting close to an answer I can respect. If Tivo crunched some numbers and determined that a sustainable lifetime price would have had to be something nobody would pay, ok. That sucks, but so be it.

    What's sort of grating on me is the cheerleading for all these new ongoing fee options as though they should somehow replace or eliminate any desire for lifetime service. Suck it up. Say "We know some people want lifetime service but we can no longer afford to offer an affordable lifetime option. We are sorry about that, but we've increased the number of ongoing payment plans which, while not a substitute for lifetime service, we hope will include an acceptable alternative."
     
  2. Mar 8, 2006 #182 of 1393
    vertigo235

    vertigo235 Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I can't wait to tell my In Laws if they like TiVo and want to buy a newer bigger TiVo, that they totaly shafted me and require me to pay a $150 cancelation fee for re-activating my 6 year old 27 hour TiVo box that was active for almost 6 years.

    I'm sure that will speak loads about what a great company TiVo is.
     
  3. Mar 8, 2006 #183 of 1393
    tangent1138

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    this sucks.

    i hate monthly fees-- cable bill, phone bill, cell phone bill, etc. my one joy was my tivo with lifetime. i'd rather pay upfront and be done with it.
     
  4. Mar 8, 2006 #184 of 1393
    lajohn27

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    Why not offer lifetime no matter what the cost? I'd guess because even offering it on a non-promoted basis; just as an option hanging out there.. has costs.

    Just a thought.
     
  5. Mar 8, 2006 #185 of 1393
    aine

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    Given that, why would any choose the 2- or 3-year contract?

    Not counting the "prepaid" options, tour choices are essentially:

    1. Pay $19.95/month for 12 months. After 1 year, you start paying $12.95.

    2. Pay $18.95/month for 24 months. After 2 years, you start paying $12.95.

    Who in their right mind would choose anything but (1)? With (2), sure you save $12 over the first year, but then you're locked into paying $18.95/month for the entire second year -- whereas with (1) you would drop down to $12.95 for the second year.

    The 1-year contract is $60 cheaper over a the 2-year period. Who would choose the 2-year contract, then? Makes no sense.

    What am I missing?
     
  6. Mar 8, 2006 #186 of 1393
    dgh

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    That you're not the target audience for option 2 :D
     
  7. Mar 8, 2006 #187 of 1393
    HannahWCU

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    Nothing that I see. Its just that some people (new to Tivo), might not see it as spending less money overall, but more per month $19.95 vs. $18.95 (or $16.95). I totally agree with you. If I was buying today, I would choose the $19.95/month for 12 months then switch to the $12.95/month plan.
     
  8. Mar 8, 2006 #188 of 1393
    Stu_Bee

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    Do we whisper the last part after the word "Free"?

    PS. Hey, You can get a new Car for totally FREE for just $350 a month.
     
  9. Mar 8, 2006 #189 of 1393
    superdlux

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    Well, since Tivo offers Tivo-To-Go for my Mac, it's definitely worth it.

    Oh wait, they don't.
     
  10. Mar 8, 2006 #190 of 1393
    HannahWCU

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    The one year contract is the least expensive over a 3 year period:

    1 year contract = $19.95 X 12 Months + $12.95 x 24 Months = $550.20

    2 year contract = $18.95 X 24 Months + $12.95 x 12 Months = $610.20

    3 year contract = $16.95 X 36 Months = $610.20
     
  11. Mar 8, 2006 #191 of 1393
    Spire

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    Maybe I would! But the exact threshold below which I would still pay is not the issue; obviously, that threshold would be different for each person.

    Let's TiVo came up with the $999 as the magic price for profitability. Maybe I'd pay; maybe I wouldn't. Maybe some of the other people in this thread would pay, and some wouldn't.

    The important thing is that we would each have the option to decide whether this deal were worth it for us. Choice is Good.

    Besides, If TiVo had already determined that lifetime subscriptions at $999 would be profitable for the company, what exactly would TiVo have to lose by offering lifetime subscriptions at that price?
    Great. So what am I left with after those one, two, or three years are up? Monthly fees.

    Or a doorstop.
     
  12. Mar 8, 2006 #192 of 1393
    davezatz

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    I'm obviously not the target audience, but I can tell you there will be no standard def DVRs in my house in three years. Heck, there probably won't be any within 12-18 months.
     
  13. Mar 8, 2006 #193 of 1393
    pdhenry

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    Steve:

    Please clarify what constitutes a "qualifying unit." Is it a unit on any plan above $6.95?

    Hypothetical: If I currently have a unit on monthly outside of a commitment, and I get another unit on a "no upfront cost" plan, do I pay $6.95 for the older monthly box?
     
  14. Mar 8, 2006 #194 of 1393
    HannahWCU

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    I agree, thats why I don't have my two Tivo's under lifetime contracts. As many have said, technology changes rapidly. I currently have a Moxi HD recorder from Charter in my house (at $9.99/month). I am currently testing it to see what I like dislike about it because at some point I plan to change completely over to HD recorders. I hope these will be Tivo boxes, because nothing else compares (but that a different tread). I think the $3 premium I pay on Tivo is worth it compared to the Moxi box (but that HD is hard to beat).
     
  15. Mar 8, 2006 #195 of 1393
    jkovach

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    The problem here is, you're assuming that monthly 'service only' charges will remain $12.95 per month for the next 3 years... Raise it to $15.95 and look at what happens to the 3 year costs:

    1 year contract = $19.95 X 12 Months + $15.95 x 24 Months = $622.20

    2 year contract = $18.95 X 24 Months + $15.95 x 12 Months = $646.20

    3 year contract = $16.95 X 36 Months = $610.20

    Of course, who can predict what will happen to the monthly service only fee in the future? Up, down, eliminated?

    Jeff
     
  16. Mar 8, 2006 #196 of 1393
    perry7566

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    for say 50 % premium of 0.75 billion and take they would have great interface, existing market penetration, and own the standard, - it would be pocket change for them.
     
  17. Mar 8, 2006 #197 of 1393
    HannahWCU

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    Agreed, but you would think that if the $12.95 "service" fee goes up then the other plans would also have to increase to cover the equipment fees (the $84 premium on the 12 month contract or the $144 on the 2 or 3 year contract)
     
  18. Mar 8, 2006 #198 of 1393
    Spiff

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    * The price for a TiVo box and a one-year service commitment is $19.95 a
    month or $224 prepaid

    $224 + $12.95 x 24 months = $ 534.80

    * The price for a TiVo box and a two-year service commitment is $18.95 a
    month or $369 prepaid

    $369 + $12.95 x 12 months = $ 524.40

    * The price for a TiVo box and a three-year service commitment is $16.95 a
    month or $469 prepaid

    So, if you pre-pay the 3 year is the best deal.
     
  19. Mar 8, 2006 #199 of 1393
    HannahWCU

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    Thanks, I forgot about the pre-pay option being cheaper :eek: . I was just looking at the monthly fees.
     
  20. Mar 8, 2006 #200 of 1393
    Spiff

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    Hey, I'm just trying to figure out how I'm going to spin this to my wife when I want to buy an S3 and she hears there's no Lifetime. :)
     

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