New TIVO Platform

Discussion in 'TiVo Coffee House - TiVo Discussion' started by dave13077, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. NashGuy

    NashGuy Well-Known Member

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    I did click on your signature links earlier. Do your Arris boxes run the TiVo UI? Who is your cable company?

    IMO, it's a bit tough for cable subscribers to know what to do right now with regard to renting STBs versus buying their own retail hardware, e.g. TiVos. Things are changing quickly in the pay TV space.
     
  2. Pacomartin

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    Yes, the Arris boxes run the TiVo UI.
    RCN which is now owned by TPG along with Wave Broadband and Grande.
    My parents (born in the 1930s) seem permanently addicted to Cable TV. They can't seem to adopt streaming services. Plus it is seriously difficult to replace the sports options from RCN.
    I have two Roku boxes that were pretty inexpensive, but I would like to buy a Roku TV. But it makes me nervous when TiVo doesn't mention Roku in their press release, only Apple and Amazon Fire.
     
  3. NashGuy

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    My advice: don't worry about it. First off, if you're happy with your current service from RCN, and your Arris TiVo boxes, there's no reason not to keep it. Just because TiVo has announced this new hardware-agnostic platform as an option for cable operators to deploy, that doesn't mean that RCN will choose to deploy it any time soon. And, even if they do deploy it, it may very well exist alongside their current set-up for awhile, so you could keep using your current Arris boxes.

    If you like Roku and Roku TVs, it doesn't make much sense to me to plan your current purchases around a future development between TiVo and RCN that may never happen. (To be clear, I am assuming that, even though new TiVo apps may show up soon in the public app stores for Apple TV, Android TV and Fire TV devices, you wouldn't be able to install those apps on your own devices and use them in conjunction with your RCN-issued Arris TiVo boxes unless RCN allowed that. And I don't think RCN would/could allow their customers to do that unless they had adopted this overall new platform that TiVo just announced. While those assumptions seem logical to me, they could, of course, be wrong.) It's also possible that TiVo will later roll out a Roku app too; Roku is the most popular TV streaming platform.

    Speaking of Roku TVs, check out the sweet new Series 6 they just announced at CES. The 2017 version of this TV was the best bargain in 55" TVs for the year. Now they've made it even better and will roll it out in other sizes too.
     
  4. JoeKustra

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    I needed a small TV for a little used space. I bought a 32" Roku/Sharp TV and am 100% satisfied. Great 1080p picture and great sound. Strange that it's WiFi only and very few picture adjustments. But my Roamio looks fine.
     
  5. Pacomartin

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    Right now RCN is charging $10 for the TiVo DVR and $6 each for the two slaves. If they keep that price I would probably not want to switch to an app.
    But RCN was charging my neighbor $53 for the same DVR and one slave. If equipment rental rates jump that high, then I will want to switch to an app based system. RCN may very well charge for the App, but it will probably be less than equipment rental rates.
    Well these TV's with Roku or Fire built in are reasonably large purchases. I would like to invest in one that is compatible.
    I guess what bothers me is that the editor of the article specifically modified the article to remove a comment where Roku was listed as an option because it wasn't mentioned in TiVo's press release.

    TCL 55P607 55-Inch 4K Ultra HD Roku Smart LED TV (2017 Model)
    Price: $819.00 & FREE Shipping (33 pounds)
    Element 55-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV - Fire TV Edition
    Price: $629.99 & FREE Shipping. (32 pounds)

    I don't want a set top box on the wall if it is not necessary.
     

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  6. NashGuy

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    That's certainly understandable.

    If you're looking to buy a new TV soon, your problem is that you don't know if/when RCN will jump on board this new TiVo platform that would let you use the upcoming TiVo app to access RCN cable TV. How long do you want to put off buying a new TV while you wait for RCN to announce what they're going to do?

    Let's say you bought a new Roku TV soon, and then a few months down the road RCN supported the new TiVo app platform but there's not a TiVo app for Roku (only TiVo apps for Fire TV, Android TV and Apple TV). In that case, you could spend $40-$70 to buy a small Amazon Fire TV stick or 4K dongle, which could plug into a side port on the TV and be hidden out of sight behind the edge of the screen. Then, instead of using the Roku remote that came with the TV, you would just use the Fire TV remote and always keep the TV on that input.

    Pretty much all TVs now have a feature called HDMI-CEC, and so do Fire TV devices. Even my parents' nearly decade-old Panasonic plasma TV has HDMI-CEC. When I pick up and click the remote for their Fire TV stick, it automatically powers on the TV and switches it to the correct input. (Although I do still need to use their actual TV remote to adjust volume. But you could get a piggyback remote that snaps onto the Fire TV remote for controlling TV volume.) So what I'm saying is that, even if you buy a Roku TV now, you have the option later of ignoring the Roku software on the TV by plugging in a Fire TV stick and always just using that for streaming apps.

    Or, you could buy one of those Fire TV Edition smart TVs that come with the Amazon Fire TV software built in, although I don't recommend that since those TVs generally aren't that great picture-wise.

    Or you could buy a smart TV from Sony or some other brands that come with Android TV software built in, since TiVo has said that they will make a version of their forthcoming app for Android TV.

    You have a lot of options.
     
  7. Pacomartin

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    While I am not willing to spend $2000 for a Samsung Frame TV that has a fiber optic line to a base set where you plug your devices in. However, I would like to hang a nice $800 Roku TV and deal with the power cable and/or ethernet cable. I am afraid that a dongle will ruin the hang.

    My parents in their 80's are having increasing difficulty with one remote with a lot of buttons. They are almost hopeless if I have multiple remotes (one for the TV, one for the streaming device, and one for audio volume). Although some remotes learn functions from other remotes I seem to have particular problems with INPUT functions.

    My father hates the "input" button in particular. He never remembers how it works, and if he fat fingers it by accident he can't get back to the input he wants.
     
  8. NashGuy

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    Cool. Good luck, I'm sure you'll figure something out.
     

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